Never Say Never Again..."Yes, But My Martini's Still Dry"

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  • edited August 2012 Posts: 4,762
    This DVD is not even kept near, let alone with, my other Bond DVDs. Says it all.

    Hahahaha, afraid just by proximity that some of its horror will diffuse into the actual series?
  • This DVD is not even kept near, let alone with, my other Bond DVDs. Says it all.

    I'll go you one better. I don't own a copy at all.

  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
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    This DVD is not even kept near, let alone with, my other Bond DVDs. Says it all.

    I'll go you one better. I don't own a copy at all.

    It was very cheap! And having read some of the forums here about how good some people thought it was, I thought I'd give it another go. I'm glad it was cheap, I would never have paid any more for it.

    OOBeast - yeah, something like that. And if anyone's looking at my Bond collection they'll never see NSNA.
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    It was very cheap! And having read some of the forums here about how good some people thought it was, I thought I'd give it another go. I'm glad it was cheap, I would never have paid any more for it.

    OOBeast - yeah, something like that. And if anyone's looking at my Bond collection they'll never see NSNA.

    Then theyknow you are just an EON fan not a Bondfan.

    This movie belongs among my books (all writers), comics, movies (SE & UE) together with CR'67. I am a Bondfan after all. ;)

  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
    Posts: 1,874
    SaintMark wrote:
    It was very cheap! And having read some of the forums here about how good some people thought it was, I thought I'd give it another go. I'm glad it was cheap, I would never have paid any more for it.

    OOBeast - yeah, something like that. And if anyone's looking at my Bond collection they'll never see NSNA.

    Then theyknow you are just an EON fan not a Bondfan.

    This movie belongs among my books (all writers), comics, movies (SE & UE) together with CR'67. I am a Bondfan after all. ;)

    SaintMark I've probably been a Bond fan longer than you've drawn breath. Just because I choose not to see NSNA as a real Bond film doesn't make me less of a Bond fan, just a little more choosey. I have had most of the films on VHS, DVD, and now blu-ray, own three complete sets of the Fleming novels, numerous books, cuttings, etc collected over the years. I don't just 'like the EON' films. Hell I even had the original Corgi DB5 toy as a kid before I even knew who Bond was!
  • In an Octopussy v Never Say Never Again debate, there is absolutely no contest in my opinion. It's not simply a matter of Moore v Connery. A Bond film is a huge collaborative effort. Octopussy had Cubby Broccoli, John Barry, John Glen, Peter Lamont, Arthur Wooster, John Richardson, Martin Grace, Dickie Graydon, Maurice Binder, Michael G Wilson and Remy Julienne working on it, among others. It was the James Bond Team. NSNA had no answer to that.

    Am glad Octopussy won the 1983 'Battle of the Bonds'. I find it quite hard to enjoy NSNA.
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    If you put up OP vs. NSNA:

    007- Octopussy (it's got Roger!)
    Main Villain- Octopussy (Kamal and Orlov absolutely DESTROY Max Largo)
    Henchmen- Octopussy (Gobinda, Mischka, and Grishka beat the pulp out of Fatima Blush)
    Locations- Never Say Never Again (the Bahamas and France work well, and even North Africa)
    Soundtrack- Octopussy (neither are outstanding, but at least OP sounds like Bond)
    Pace- Octopussy (NSNA moves at a horrid pace often times)

    Obviously, it is no contest. No wonder OP slayed NSNA at the box office!
  • OP is definetly better than NSNA. But that doesn't mean NSNA is bad.
  • Posts: 1,146
    According to rottentomatoes.com:

    Never Say Never Again: 65%
    Octopussy: 47%
    View to a Kill: 39%

    I'm not saying that NSNA is as good as classic Connery, but the critics think it's better than basically the two worst Bond films in the series.
  • Posts: 7,653
    SaintMark wrote:
    It was very cheap! And having read some of the forums here about how good some people thought it was, I thought I'd give it another go. I'm glad it was cheap, I would never have paid any more for it.

    OOBeast - yeah, something like that. And if anyone's looking at my Bond collection they'll never see NSNA.

    Then theyknow you are just an EON fan not a Bondfan.

    This movie belongs among my books (all writers), comics, movies (SE & UE) together with CR'67. I am a Bondfan after all. ;)

    SaintMark I've probably been a Bond fan longer than you've drawn breath. Just because I choose not to see NSNA as a real Bond film doesn't make me less of a Bond fan, just a little more choosey. I have had most of the films on VHS, DVD, and now blu-ray, own three complete sets of the Fleming novels, numerous books, cuttings, etc collected over the years. I don't just 'like the EON' films. Hell I even had the original Corgi DB5 toy as a kid before I even knew who Bond was!

    Don't get grumpy Old man. I did abuse that Corgi D5 also as a kid but prefered the batmobile but didn't know who either were. O:-)

  • In an Octopussy v Never Say Never Again debate, there is absolutely no contest in my opinion. It's not simply a matter of Moore v Connery. A Bond film is a huge collaborative effort. Octopussy had Cubby Broccoli, John Barry, John Glen, Peter Lamont, Arthur Wooster, John Richardson, Martin Grace, Dickie Graydon, Maurice Binder, Michael G Wilson and Remy Julienne working on it, among others. It was the James Bond Team. NSNA had no answer to that.

    Am glad Octopussy won the 1983 'Battle of the Bonds'. I find it quite hard to enjoy NSNA.

    Well said. Other than Brandauer and Carrera, NSNA has nothing going for it. Connery was treading on familiar ground with the story and sleepwalked his way through the role. Added nothing to the characterization. A boring and uninspired performance on the level of DAF. I have Thunderball and never needed a rehash. NSNA is the perfect example of why Bond movies should be, great, good, or bad, left for the judgment of posterity and not remade. I applaud those who feel like I do, that a real Bond film is made only by EON and no other outside concern. In other words, both an official film and a new adventure.

    I don't pay too much attention to critical reviews or the rotten tomatoes stats. I judge Bond films on my own, which is what every fan should do rather than letting a critic decide. They can be wrong or simply see a film differently. I enjoy Octopussy a lot and AVTAK isn't the worst film in the series when we have the likes of MR and DAD available.

  • NSNA is enjoyable as it is, but it could've been much better if it had an original story going for it.
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    NSNA is enjoyable as it is, but it could've been much better if it had an original story going for it.

    Precisely. The re-hash of Thunderball just fails in every aspect to live up to the real Thunderball of 1965, and therefore everything about the movie seems to be second-rate and falling short of the goal. Had they used an original story, it might be less criticized.
  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
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    SaintMark wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:
    It was very cheap! And having read some of the forums here about how good some people thought it was, I thought I'd give it another go. I'm glad it was cheap, I would never have paid any more for it.

    OOBeast - yeah, something like that. And if anyone's looking at my Bond collection they'll never see NSNA.

    Then theyknow you are just an EON fan not a Bondfan.

    This movie belongs among my books (all writers), comics, movies (SE & UE) together with CR'67. I am a Bondfan after all. ;)

    SaintMark I've probably been a Bond fan longer than you've drawn breath. Just because I choose not to see NSNA as a real Bond film doesn't make me less of a Bond fan, just a little more choosey. I have had most of the films on VHS, DVD, and now blu-ray, own three complete sets of the Fleming novels, numerous books, cuttings, etc collected over the years. I don't just 'like the EON' films. Hell I even had the original Corgi DB5 toy as a kid before I even knew who Bond was!

    Don't get grumpy Old man. I did abuse that Corgi D5 also as a kid but prefered the batmobile but didn't know who either were. O:-)

    Not getting grumpy you young whippersnapper you, just saying you don't have to love everything to be a Bond fan. I'm a great Batman fan but I wouldn't give house room to Schumacher's two efforts! Don't make less of a Bat Fan.
  • Posts: 7,653
    SaintMark wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:
    It was very cheap! And having read some of the forums here about how good some people thought it was, I thought I'd give it another go. I'm glad it was cheap, I would never have paid any more for it.

    OOBeast - yeah, something like that. And if anyone's looking at my Bond collection they'll never see NSNA.

    Then theyknow you are just an EON fan not a Bondfan.

    This movie belongs among my books (all writers), comics, movies (SE & UE) together with CR'67. I am a Bondfan after all. ;)

    SaintMark I've probably been a Bond fan longer than you've drawn breath. Just because I choose not to see NSNA as a real Bond film doesn't make me less of a Bond fan, just a little more choosey. I have had most of the films on VHS, DVD, and now blu-ray, own three complete sets of the Fleming novels, numerous books, cuttings, etc collected over the years. I don't just 'like the EON' films. Hell I even had the original Corgi DB5 toy as a kid before I even knew who Bond was!

    Don't get grumpy Old man. I did abuse that Corgi D5 also as a kid but prefered the batmobile but didn't know who either were. O:-)

    Not getting grumpy you young whippersnapper you, just saying you don't have to love everything to be a Bond fan. I'm a great Batman fan but I wouldn't give house room to Schumacher's two efforts! Don't make less of a Bat Fan.

    It has been a while somebody called me a Young anything. Thank you for making my day.

    My point is that unless you have seen something with your own eyes you can not have an opinion that really matters. You have seen the Schumacher Batmans once and probably will never again but have seen it. I have seen CR'67 several times, the first half of the movie has got some very funny stuff and some of the most beautifull women on earth at that time. And the music of that movie is easily better than anything I have heard since Barry quit the job. A great Bondmovie not in my opinion but well worth a watch one time in your life. ANd the dvd sits alongside the rest of the collection as does the ost cd. I have most Bond novels and not all of them are very good but I found that out for myself instead of listening to other folks or read some of the reviews online.

    Like I dislike QoS, saw it in cinema and a few times on the telly, I saw TDKR and was not that impressed. My opinion based upon what I saw myself. Being a Bondfan means having at least seen everything and not deny it without ever sitting down and have a watch.

    O:-)
  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
    Posts: 1,874
    SaintMark wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:
    SaintMark wrote:
    It was very cheap! And having read some of the forums here about how good some people thought it was, I thought I'd give it another go. I'm glad it was cheap, I would never have paid any more for it.

    OOBeast - yeah, something like that. And if anyone's looking at my Bond collection they'll never see NSNA.

    Then theyknow you are just an EON fan not a Bondfan.

    This movie belongs among my books (all writers), comics, movies (SE & UE) together with CR'67. I am a Bondfan after all. ;)

    SaintMark I've probably been a Bond fan longer than you've drawn breath. Just because I choose not to see NSNA as a real Bond film doesn't make me less of a Bond fan, just a little more choosey. I have had most of the films on VHS, DVD, and now blu-ray, own three complete sets of the Fleming novels, numerous books, cuttings, etc collected over the years. I don't just 'like the EON' films. Hell I even had the original Corgi DB5 toy as a kid before I even knew who Bond was!

    Don't get grumpy Old man. I did abuse that Corgi D5 also as a kid but prefered the batmobile but didn't know who either were. O:-)

    Not getting grumpy you young whippersnapper you, just saying you don't have to love everything to be a Bond fan. I'm a great Batman fan but I wouldn't give house room to Schumacher's two efforts! Don't make less of a Bat Fan.

    It has been a while somebody called me a Young anything. Thank you for making my day.

    My point is that unless you have seen something with your own eyes you can not have an opinion that really matters. You have seen the Schumacher Batmans once and probably will never again but have seen it. I have seen CR'67 several times, the first half of the movie has got some very funny stuff and some of the most beautifull women on earth at that time. And the music of that movie is easily better than anything I have heard since Barry quit the job. A great Bondmovie not in my opinion but well worth a watch one time in your life. ANd the dvd sits alongside the rest of the collection as does the ost cd. I have most Bond novels and not all of them are very good but I found that out for myself instead of listening to other folks or read some of the reviews online.

    Like I dislike QoS, saw it in cinema and a few times on the telly, I saw TDKR and was not that impressed. My opinion based upon what I saw myself. Being a Bondfan means having at least seen everything and not deny it without ever sitting down and have a watch.

    O:-)

    Er, Young Fella, I have seen CR67 and NSNA with mine own eyes, several times each, own NSNA, but don't really like either. I never take someone's opinion as gospel, and would not recommend or not recommend a film on someone else say so (not even the great Barry Norman). I used to work in a Video/DVD shop and was constantly amazed at people not hiring a film because 'the bloke down the pub' said it was rubbish or Bazza Norman though it not worthy. I always say, see it yourself and make up your own mind. Often I was asked what I would recommend, sometime people would come back and say that was a great film, other times they wouldn't ask me again - ha ha!
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    @Lancaster007: Precisely. I too go by that philosophy. People slated and ranted the recent movie Lockout, but I went to see it in theaters back in April and was mesmerized by its greatness, and now it is one of my favorite movies, despite the fact that too many people dislike it. Similiarly, people praise and shot halelujah to The Dark Knight, while I could care less about it because I did not like it. It's all a matter of finding out for yourself whether it fits your taste or not, no one can predetermine that for you, or at least they should not be able to.
  • edited August 2012 Posts: 4,813
    I'm a great Batman fan but I wouldn't give house room to Schumacher's two efforts! Don't make less of a Bat Fan.

    IMO That would make you more of a Bat Fan :D
  • Posts: 1,146
    And given those parameters, NSNA is, to me, much more enjoyable than watching Roger Moore embarrass his way thought View to a Kill and Ocotpussy.

    Tarzan, lol.
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    Octopussy was released first and more firmly planted in the summer film season. NSNA was more comfortable to watch and had no embarassing moments like Bond in Clown and Ape costumes or commanding tigers to sit. NSNA had the disadvantage of not having a Barry score which is very very key to a Bond film. Mr. Bean came close to Roger Mooring the film up a bit but Connery seemed to be annoyed with him as if making a direct comment on Humor in Bond films.
    So I'm saying NSNA was a good Bond film and better than many EONs of that time.
  • Posts: 5,634
    Never Say Never Again doesn't try to take itself seriously, as in it's not a part of the official franchise. Connery was just having a bit of fun that year. I prefer Octopussy of the two releases for '83, yes it has a stronger emphasis on humor, and embarrasses itself to that extent often enough, but still redeems itself in there is so much to get involved in. I don't even own a copy of NSNA, and never tried hunting high and low for one either
  • Posts: 1,146
    Dummo7 wrote:
    Octopussy was released first and more firmly planted in the summer film season. NSNA was more comfortable to watch and had no embarassing moments like Bond in Clown and Ape costumes or commanding tigers to sit. NSNA had the disadvantage of not having a Barry score which is very very key to a Bond film. Mr. Bean came close to Roger Mooring the film up a bit but Connery seemed to be annoyed with him as if making a direct comment on Humor in Bond films.
    So I'm saying NSNA was a good Bond film and better than many EONs of that time.

    I completely agree with these remarks. NSNA is in no way a great Bond film, but it sure beat the heck out what was around at that time. It sure missed the gun barrel, and a solid Barry score.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited August 2012 Posts: 14,556
    I've loved everything about this film since taping it on VHS back in the 90s. The classy score; beautiful leading ladies; exotic locales; as well as it bringing things we hadn't yet seen in a Bond film- such as getting to see him as a veteran on the verge of retirement; the first time he rides a motorbike for a chase sequence (IIRC); and a laser watch that predates GE.

    I certainly rate it more entertaining than YOLT and DAF, and after nearly 30 years, 'it's still in pretty good shape.'
  • Posts: 5,634
    How many more times, Never Say Never Again is not a Bond film, it's merely a spoof remake of Thunderball and not a part of the official series

    I haven't seen this in years, not that I need to. 1983 was a good year for anything resembling Bond, we can't take it seriously, as with Octopussy, but it is a worthwhile watch. I take this unofficial entry every time over Casino Royale 1967
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    edited August 2012 Posts: 14,556
    How many more times, Never Say Never Again is not a Bond film, it's merely a spoof remake of Thunderball and not a part of the official series
    Of course it's not EON/official- but it's a film starring James Bond, hence the reason why we all refer to it as a 'Bond film'.

  • Lancaster007Lancaster007 Shrublands Health Clinic, England
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    Well there are those who like it, those who hate it, those who won't even bother with it. There are those who don't consider it a Bond film (because it's not done by EON) - count me in - and those who do consider it a Bond film because the original Bond, Sir Sean of Connery is in it. I have tried to like it but I just can't get too much enjoyment from it, and to think McClory was going to do it all again (if he could get finance) as Warhead 2000 and/or James Bond of The Secret Service. Would anyone really want to see yet another version of Thunderball? I don't think so.
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    Is there such a thing as too many 007 movies? If Moonraker is done several times in the EON franchise I am sure I would no have minded another version of TB with Sean Connery of course, that is the one rule for me. :D
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    I wonder if NSNA was the first "Bond film" anyone saw, was anyone introduced to Bond via NSNA?
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    I know a guy, a Bond fan in fact, who say NSNA first. He is not a mi6 member, though. And I've read CR67-reviews on IMDB where atleast one person mentioned that it was their first Bond also. My memory is a little shoddy so I don't remember very much.
  • edited August 2012 Posts: 3,494
    I know a guy, a Bond fan in fact, who say NSNA first. He is not a mi6 member, though. And I've read CR67-reviews on IMDB where atleast one person mentioned that it was their first Bond also. My memory is a little shoddy so I don't remember very much.

    Ah, I see they took the start at the bottom of the barrel and work your way up approach ;)
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