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  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    175 minutes is more than fine with me as long as it's paced well. That's what it's all about for me.

    Much like the Ebert quote, I've seen historical epics over three hours long that genuinely felt like a short film due to how engaged I was and I've sat through 90 minute films that seemed as if they'd never end.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    175 minutes is more than fine with me as long as it's paced well. That's what it's all about for me.

    Much like the Ebert quote, I've seen historical epics over three hours long that genuinely felt like a short film due to how engaged I was and I've sat through 90 minute films that seemed as if they'd never end.

    Correct. Four hours of Snyder's cut of the JL flew by versus the 89 minutes of the absolutely terrible rom-com Isn't It Romantic.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    No good movie is too long and no bad movie is short enough.-Roger Ebert.

    One of the few wise things he ever said.

    He was still better on average than Gene Fanboy Siskel.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=siskel+and+ebert+james+bond

  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    No good movie is too long and no bad movie is short enough.-Roger Ebert.

    One of the few wise things he ever said.

    He was still better on average than Gene Fanboy Siskel.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=siskel+and+ebert+james+bond


    Siskel was a criminal. He leaked Betsy Palmer's address on TV while encouraging people to bother her with angry responses over her involvement with Friday The 13th.

    Both were pussies who, like that old hag Mary Whitehouse in the UK, were so appalled by the violence and aggression in certain films that they wanted everyone else to hate those films too. I'm not a big fan.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited January 2022 Posts: 4,636
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    No good movie is too long and no bad movie is short enough.-Roger Ebert.

    One of the few wise things he ever said.

    He was still better on average than Gene Fanboy Siskel.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=siskel+and+ebert+james+bond


    Siskel was a criminal. He leaked Betsy Palmer's address on TV while encouraging people to bother her with angry responses over her involvement with Friday The 13th.

    Both were pussies who, like that old hag Mary Whitehouse in the UK, were so appalled by the violence and aggression in certain films that they wanted everyone else to hate those films too. I'm not a big fan.

    Siskel always did happy a funny way of thinking. Who doesn’t like Mark Hamill as The Joker?

  • DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    No good movie is too long and no bad movie is short enough.-Roger Ebert.

    One of the few wise things he ever said.

    He was still better on average than Gene Fanboy Siskel.

    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=siskel+and+ebert+james+bond


    Siskel was a criminal. He leaked Betsy Palmer's address on TV while encouraging people to bother her with angry responses over her involvement with Friday The 13th.

    Both were pussies who, like that old hag Mary Whitehouse in the UK, were so appalled by the violence and aggression in certain films that they wanted everyone else to hate those films too. I'm not a big fan.

    Jesus I never knew that about Siskel. Never really bothered with him, and always preferred Ebert, but that’s quite revealing.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    From what I can remember, I feel Siskel sometimes gave weird reasons for disliking a film. I get the feeling he tried to come up with an intellectual explanation for his negative emotional response, but sometimes it struck me as rather arbitrary. Ebert sometimes did that as well, but much less than Siskel as far as I can tell.

    In regards to Bond, Siskel always felt every Bond actor who wasn't Connery was nothing compared to him. I never really got a sense of what he wanted in a Bond actor. When Dalton was Bond, he suggested Brosnan would be a good Bond. Then, when Brosnan became Bond, he disliked his performance.

    Watching Siskel and Ebert, I've also entertained the thought that critics who watch every single movie on wide release are bound to enjoy certain films --particularly commercial ones-- much less than the average moviegoer, because they can more easily detect similarities and repetition between these films. A moviegoer doesn't necessarily watch every film in any given year, and so has less of a chance to become jaded. Hell, not even the filmmakers themselves might be aware of that repetition.

    I still enjoy watching their reviews though. It's fun to see two people so passionate about movies discussing them.
  • mattjoes wrote: »
    From what I can remember, I feel Siskel sometimes gave weird reasons for disliking a film. I get the feeling he tried to come up with an intellectual explanation for his negative emotional response, but sometimes it struck me as rather arbitrary. Ebert sometimes did that as well, but much less than Siskel as far as I can tell.

    In regards to Bond, Siskel always felt every Bond actor who wasn't Connery was nothing compared to him. I never really got a sense of what he wanted in a Bond actor. When Dalton was Bond, he suggested Brosnan would be a good Bond. Then, when Brosnan became Bond, he disliked his performance.

    Watching Siskel and Ebert, I've also entertained the thought that critics who watch every single movie on wide release are bound to enjoy certain films --particularly commercial ones-- much less than the average moviegoer, because they can more easily detect similarities and repetition between these films. A moviegoer doesn't necessarily watch every film in any given year, and so has less of a chance to become jaded. Hell, not even the filmmakers themselves might be aware of that repetition.

    I still enjoy watching their reviews though. It's fun to see two people so passionate about movies discussing them.

    That’s another thing that annoys me about how Siskel was when it came to reviewing Bond. His constant need to compare every Bond to Connery I feel severely clouded his judgement on some of the films, and tbh, plays a large part in why I never respected him as a film critic.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I keep saying it: Siskel was a pussy. His attitude towards The Thing, I Spit On Your Grave and other violent movies was nothing if not childish. You don't like the film: fine. Just don't pretend like you're a social crusader seeking to save us all from moral corruption. We've big boys, we can handle these films.

    As for the Connery thing, yes, it bothers me too that nobody was ever good enough to replace Connery for old Gene. Look, even Connery wasn't good enough to replace Connery. He was sleepwalking through YOLT and phoning it in for DAF. The Connery flame died during the filming of TB. Connery was divine in FRWL. Awesome Connery remains the best Bond ever. The problem is that Connery wasn't always awesome. Craig was consistently great, IMO. Never quite as good as Connery in '63, but better on average.
  • DarthDimi wrote: »
    The Connery flame died during the filming of TB. Connery was divine in FRWL. Awesome Connery remains the best Bond ever. The problem is that Connery wasn't always awesome. Craig was consistently great, IMO. Never quite as good as Connery in '63, but better on average.

    That’s the sad truth unfortunately. I’d also add that Dalton and Brosnan were consistently great in the role despite the scripts the latter was given. Even Roger Moore had managed to stay consistent with the role from TSWLM to AVTAK. To see Connery “sleep walking” his way through both YOLT and DAF is really unfortunate. On the other hand, this is one of the reasons I love Lazenby so much. Being sandwiched in between two of Connery’s weakest performances as Bond makes me appreciate the youthful energy Lazenby brought with him.
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    I disagree about Connery sleep-walking through DAF. I've been around for them all when they came out. When Connery returned for DAF he was invigorated, enthusiastic, having fun. I think it shows in his performance. He had made clear to the producers that the filming should be completed in a reasonable time, and they accomplished it. For YOLT he was annoyed by the overwhelming media response, and the script was poor compared with the prior films, and it all took too long. (I also dislike how he looks so sweaty or greasy in much of the film, and never did in any other one, but that was someone else's responsibility.) At any rate, for DAF there was a great deal of Connery-is-back-even-if-for-this-once excitement and happiness, including with the folks involved in making the film, including Connery. Jill St. John and he got along famously well, and it showed in the film and in their production-time publicity pictures and so on. It's a silly script, the beginning of the 70s Bond in spirit as well as in the calendar, but that was intentional.
  • edited January 2022 Posts: 6,844
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I wonder if it really needs to be three hours though—that's the length of Fellowship of the Ring!—or if it's just overstuffed with plot lines like No Time to Die or needlessly slow like Blade Runner 2049. It feels like too many genre movies these days go for "epic" running times without really justifying them.

    TDK, TDKR and BvS were very lengthy too. I guess DC is gunning for capital-E 'epic'. ;-)

    You raise a good point. Cinematic Batman has been going for longer running times for some time. I remember when 2hr 20min felt like a longer than usual length for a film of that type when Batman Begins came out!

    For some reason, TDKR doesn't feel like 2hr 45min to me. I suppose they just had a lot to wrap up from the trilogy in that film and did it well.

    BvS, on the other hand, is a different matter for me. I do actually really like the film in both its versions and as with many others prefer the extended cut for the scenes that are added back in. However, as with the extended cuts of LOTR, the scenes that are added back in throw off the pacing of the film, IMO, and cause it to feel structurally clunky. I'll still watch the extended cut over the theatrical any day, but the theatrical version feels more properly paced to me.

    What Ebert says is certainly right though. As long as it all works it shouldn't really matter if it's a 3hr-long Batman film.

    I did also enjoy Snyder's Justice League, but I watched it over multiple nights and the way it was broken up into chapters made it feel more like a miniseries to me rather than a standard film.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yes I watched Justice League as a TV show too, I couldn't have made it through in one sitting.
  • I watched ZSJL in one setting, but that was on its release date. Rewatched it about 3-4 times, but divided it up by chapters. Still, really love the film.
  • Posts: 16,169
    I think 175 minutes is actually too short. Add another 45 minutes and my interest may be increased.
    Kidding aside, it really is all about the pacing, how well the story is told, and if the story is even remotely interesting. Some longer films breeze by, whereas as others just drag.
  • edited January 2022 Posts: 1,282
    Was CR, QoS, NTTD a demo reel for Jeffrey Wright to play Commissioner Gordon?
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Was CR, QoS, NTTD a demo reel for Jeffrey Wright to play Commissioner Gordon?

    Not at all.
    Jeffrey Wright is a bloody good actor.
    He’s played Felix Leiter in the Bond series, Bernard in Westworld, appeared in many critically acclaimed movies. And November appears as CommissionerGordon in Batman.
    Just another reason to look forward to this film. ;)
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Loved him in Westworld. Season 1 was so great.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    https://www.cbr.com/joker-sequel-joaquin-phoenix-filming-2023/

    I hope we see more comic book villains.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    No good movie is too long and no bad movie is short enough.-Roger Ebert.

    One of the few wise things he ever said.

    Yep.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Maybe the good movies are good in part precisely because they’re not too long. Make them any longer and they might turn bad.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    MaxCasino wrote: »

    Good news. Loved that film.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited January 2022 Posts: 5,970
    Watch at your own discretion. As some may know this clip was leaked through YouTube ads at some point, but it has now been officially posted. Either way this just looks so great, and I cannot wait for this film.



    Here is the clip in 4K:

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    That's really grim.

    I had no idea Rupert Penry-Jones is in it though! How odd! :D
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    I can't even describe how excited I am.
  • CraigMooreOHMSSCraigMooreOHMSS Dublin, Ireland
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    I actually completely forgot Turturro was cast in this. Another solid choice.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I actually completely forgot Turturro was cast in this. Another solid choice.

    I had no idea he was in it until I saw the thumbnail. I'm (somehow) even more excited for this now.
  • Posts: 9,847
    very excited about this film
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I want this film badly.
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