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  • royale65royale65 Caustic misanthrope reporting for duty.
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    @Dragonpol here, here my brother!
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I hate what movies are becoming. They lack soul and charm. Also there are too many damn remakes. I wish Hollywood would get it's head out of it's butt and stop trying to cash in on remakes and reboots of EVERYTHING. Enough is enough.
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    Murdock wrote:
    I hate what movies are becoming. They lack soul and charm. Also there are too many damn remakes. I wish Hollywood would get it's head out of it's butt and stop trying to cash in on remakes and reboots of EVERYTHING. Enough is enough.

    People have been saying that for years.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    As terrible as movies have become in terms of remakes, reboots, unwarranted sequels, etc., you still have films every now and then that are rich and unique; they're not all trash.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited December 2013 Posts: 16,351
    Well that's my two cents.

    @Creasy47 no not all contemporary films are bad but most need some serious overhaul.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    I hate what movies are becoming. They lack soul and charm. Also there are too many damn remakes. I wish Hollywood would get it's head out of it's butt and stop trying to cash in on remakes and reboots of EVERYTHING. Enough is enough.

    People have been saying that for years.

    Well, of course taking @Creasy47's point on board, I can only agree, but still good and original films do continue to be made and hail to that.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I still love the comparison where it showed the fifteen highest grossing films or whatever of the 60's/70's and the fifteen from 2010 and it compared how many were original and how many were remakes/reboots/sequels/prequels/etc. Really upsetting.
  • The obvious problem with pining for some lost golden age is that the passage of time means that the schlock is forgotten, while the classics live on. While it's true that cinema's golden age was in the 40's and 70's, and rock's golden age was the late 60's and hip hop's was the late 80's, we forget that even in times like that there was terrible material along with the brilliant stuff.

    We are almost certainly living in the golden age of something now, quite possibly the internet, but we can't recognize it until it's passed. Come twenty or thirty years from now and our children (or grandchildren, depending on age and circumstance), will be wishing that they were able to experience what we did, and forgetting all the nonsense that we had to deal with and all the good things at their disposal.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    I still love the comparison where it showed the fifteen highest grossing films or whatever of the 60's/70's and the fifteen from 2010 and it compared how many were original and how many were remakes/reboots/sequels/prequels/etc. Really upsetting.

    Without being too glib I think one of the really major differences between films then and films now is that on the whole filmmakers don't take risks like they used to do. George Lazenby could never be James Bond nowadays, or anything really. It's all become too safe, too predictable and too nostalgic with all of the reboots, remakes, reimaginings and sequels that litter the cinema screen these days like a giant trash can of celluloid.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @Dragonpol, that's true, and then today you have times where when one film of a certain specific genre releases and does quite well, others follow suit. We had our time of vampires and zombies, then found footage ghost stories, tons of superhero films, etc. It's all become too predictable and tiring. Nobody wants to take a risk anymore. It's why I enjoy finally seeing a good film that ends up being original, or gives me a storyline/ending that is completely non-Hollywood (see "The Mist.").
  • edited December 2013 Posts: 401
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    I hate what movies are becoming. They lack soul and charm. Also there are too many damn remakes. I wish Hollywood would get it's head out of it's butt and stop trying to cash in on remakes and reboots of EVERYTHING. Enough is enough.

    People have been saying that for years.

    It doesn't make it any less true. I'm not saying that all films are bad now, but most comedy films coming out are pretty terrible. Also everything has to be "gritty" now it seems, the film industry is over-saturated with "gritty".

  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited December 2013 Posts: 18,271
    Creasy47 wrote:
    @Dragonpol, that's true, and then today you have times where when one film of a certain specific genre releases and does quite well, others follow suit. We had our time of vampires and zombies, then found footage ghost stories, tons of superhero films, etc. It's all become too predictable and tiring. Nobody wants to take a risk anymore. It's why I enjoy finally seeing a good film that ends up being original, or gives me a storyline/ending that is completely non-Hollywood (see "The Mist.").

    Well, I suppose there's still foreign language and indie flicks out there but I've not world enough to keep up with all that. Good films still get made every so often I guess, but you might have to wade through the (seemingly unending) tide of cinematic sewage that comes unbidden into your multiplex!
  • edited December 2013 Posts: 112
    I think Star Wars is overrated... It is! :(
  • edited December 2013 Posts: 11,189
    Dr_Metz wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    I hate what movies are becoming. They lack soul and charm. Also there are too many damn remakes. I wish Hollywood would get it's head out of it's butt and stop trying to cash in on remakes and reboots of EVERYTHING. Enough is enough.

    People have been saying that for years.

    It doesn't make it any less true. I'm not saying that all films are bad now, but most comedy films coming out are pretty terrible. Also everything has to be "gritty" now it seems, the film industry is over-saturated with "gritty".

    Agreed.

    To be honest I don't think there are many "genre" films these days that will go down as classics. The use of CG/quick cutting dates them pretty quickly.

    I've just done a mini marathon of late 80s/early 90s action films (the Die Hards, True Lies, Cliffhanger etc) and, while silly, most still look fairly impressive. I'm not quite sure films have that sort of lasting quality anymore.
  • If you count superhero movies as "genre" films, they most certainly will. The Dark Knight is one of the most important action movies since at least the Matrix, and the Marvel Cinematic Universe is truly an excellent set of tie-ins and crossovers, not to mention that the movies were generally good and raised the profile of their subjects, rather than the other way around.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Battleship is probably the worst movie ever made. It made my brain shut down with how bad it was. I had to stay away from movies for like a week because it left a horrible taste in my mouth. Then I too had my own mini marathon of good movies and it made me sane again.
  • edited December 2013 Posts: 11,189
    If you count superhero movies as "genre" films, they most certainly will. The Dark Knight is one of the most important action movies since at least the Matrix, and the Marvel Cinematic Universe is truly an excellent set of tie-ins and crossovers, not to mention that the movies were generally good and raised the profile of their subjects, rather than the other way around.

    I suppose you have the first three Bourne movies too in fairness. They are decent flicks.
  • edited December 2013 Posts: 401
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Agreed.

    To be honest I don't think there are many "genre" films these days that will go down as classics. The use of CG/quick cutting dates them pretty quickly.

    I've just done a mini marathon of late 80s/early 90s action films (the Die Hards, True Lies, Cliffhanger etc) and, while silly, most still look fairly impressive. I'm not quite sure films have that sort of lasting quality anymore.

    I think a film like Terminator 2 has lasting quality. It has arguably the best/most well written plot out of the 90's Stallone/Schwarzenegger/Etc. big budget action flicks.



  • BAIN123 wrote:
    If you count superhero movies as "genre" films, they most certainly will. The Dark Knight is one of the most important action movies since at least the Matrix, and the Marvel Cinematic Universe is truly an excellent set of tie-ins and crossovers, not to mention that the movies were generally good and raised the profile of their subjects, rather than the other way around.

    I suppose you have the first three Bourne movies too in fairness. They are decent flicks.

    And Bond is currently undergoing one hell of a revival. We haven't had two movies like Casino Royale and Skyfall this close together since the 60's.
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    If you count superhero movies as "genre" films, they most certainly will. The Dark Knight is one of the most important action movies since at least the Matrix, and the Marvel Cinematic Universe is truly an excellent set of tie-ins and crossovers, not to mention that the movies were generally good and raised the profile of their subjects, rather than the other way around.

    I suppose you have the first three Bourne movies too in fairness. They are decent flicks.

    And Bond is currently undergoing one hell of a revival. We haven't had two movies like Casino Royale and Skyfall this close together since the 60's.

    Again a good point. I'll shut up now :p
  • I surprised myself a bit too, there. I was thinking about good movies, and next thing you know, you have a pretty good list going.
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    Murdock wrote:
    Battleship is probably the worst movie ever made. It made my brain shut down with how bad it was. I had to stay away from movies for like a week because it left a horrible taste in my mouth. Then I too had my own mini marathon of good movies and it made me sane again.

    Upon giving their verdict for the film, Empire magazine simply said 'MISS'. :-)

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    Murdock wrote:
    Battleship is probably the worst movie ever made. It made my brain shut down with how bad it was. I had to stay away from movies for like a week because it left a horrible taste in my mouth. Then I too had my own mini marathon of good movies and it made me sane again.

    What were the "good movies" you watched?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I've been a big fan of foreign films for years, and I'm never disappointed when I turn to them, especially Korean films. They wow me every time, especially 'Oldboy' and 'I Saw The Devil.' Then, you have excellent Spanish/Portuguese films like 'La Piel Que Habito (The Skin I Live In)', 'Pan's Labyrinth,' 'Elite Squad,' etc. Fantastic stuff. But, even in 2013, I've still found some excellent movies.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    BAIN123 wrote:
    Dr_Metz wrote:
    BAIN123 wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    I hate what movies are becoming. They lack soul and charm. Also there are too many damn remakes. I wish Hollywood would get it's head out of it's butt and stop trying to cash in on remakes and reboots of EVERYTHING. Enough is enough.

    People have been saying that for years.

    It doesn't make it any less true. I'm not saying that all films are bad now, but most comedy films coming out are pretty terrible. Also everything has to be "gritty" now it seems, the film industry is over-saturated with "gritty".

    Agreed.

    To be honest I don't think there are many "genre" films these days that will go down as classics. The use of CG/quick cutting dates them pretty quickly.

    I've just done a mini marathon of late 80s/early 90s action films (the Die Hards, True Lies, Cliffhanger etc) and, while silly, most still look fairly impressive. I'm not quite sure films have that sort of lasting quality anymore.

    Well, I suppose that you could say that we in the West live in a Disposable Age/Society and a "throw-away" culture rather than a wartime-specific "make-do and mend" culture, and that films have clearly caught up with that sentiment long ago, though they may not realise it in their exceeding crassness.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Dr_Metz wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    Battleship is probably the worst movie ever made. It made my brain shut down with how bad it was. I had to stay away from movies for like a week because it left a horrible taste in my mouth. Then I too had my own mini marathon of good movies and it made me sane again.

    What were the "good movies" you watched?

    Die Hard
    Death Wish III
    GoldenEye
    Star Trek II Wrath of Khan
    Casino Royale
    Mission:Impossible

    Movies I enjoy.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Creasy47 wrote:
    I've been a big fan of foreign films for years, and I'm never disappointed when I turn to them, especially Korean films. They wow me every time, especially 'Oldboy' and 'I Saw The Devil.' Then, you have excellent Spanish/Portuguese films like 'La Piel Que Habito (The Skin I Live In)', 'Pan's Labyrinth,' 'Elite Squad,' etc. Fantastic stuff. But, even in 2013, I've still found some excellent movies.

    I hear that! I'm a massive fan of Hong Kong cinema and Korean movies and you just cant go wrong with them...most of the time.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    we really need a 'delete bad post' function....
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Christopher Nolan & Zack Snyder are highly overrated IMO. As good as Batman Begins is, it's just a blatant copy of The Shadow. His next two Batman films were just dark & dopey crap. Man Of Steel was supremely nonsensical, and Zack should stick to really dark stuff like Watchmen. He should do a Daredevil movie, maybe.
    Make mine Marvel!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I hate American football. I cannot stand it whatsoever. I think it's the worst sport, it's boring, repetitive, I just cannot stand it.
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