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She was like Bond but her character wasn't even trying.....instead of just throwing Camille in a moment of action and trying to one-up Bond like we saw with previous characters like Jinx and Wei-Lin. Camille had depth. She had such depth that the producer Barbara Broccoli expressed interest in seeing her return in a future sequel.
There were even audience members on this board who were wishing to see Camille return to make sure she was doing well, rather than for her and Bond to simply advance their relationship in a romantic way. Those quotes about vengeance and digging two graves or anything involving death and solace aided the film with helping audiences care about her character.
If you ask me, she may have never existed, she was just part of Bond's psyche. Or perhaps she did exist up to the point where she died in the fire while Bond trying to escape and erase the new events caused in part by his pursuit of Greene. That's why the editing was done in a way that made her disappear while walking towards the train station with the elderly couple sitting down waiting next to a cemetery.
OK I'm one of the biggest QOS fans out there but that theory is ridiculous lol.
Seconded. Don't think I could enjoy QoS any more if I tried, but this is looking way too heavily into things. I can agree with most of those initial two paragraphs, but Camille as a ghost/part of Bond's psyche? No.
Anyway, but I think many will agree that Camille wasn't trying too hard to be a strong character that can be used as a better source for the writer to refer to than, say, Jinx.
Madeleine is interesting....despite her clothing and some of the old-fashionedness about her, there are two unique aspects that make her an interesting character: first of all SHE'S MR. WHITE'S DAUGHTER!!!! Who would have imagined Mr. White, who risked Bond and M's lives and duped Vesper with Yusef, to be letting Bond be around his daughter?
Secondly, she's a medical doctor. It's not as common as one might think if a female medical doctor dates a guy who makes a humble living as we saw by Bond's flat. Even in medical school, there are social stigmas and hierarchy among people between the generalists and the specialists/surgeons.
When Bond was telling Madeleine to look at him instead of White's death tape, it was brushing on the topic of how her strained relationship didn't end quite well enough for her to have a formal goodbye with her father.
Perhaps the aftermath of these events could work to strengthen her as a resilient person.
If anything, Madeleine is one to try the hardest to be a very impactful character but fall flat on her face so hard you could hear the thump from the other side of the planet.
Similar to how that Christmas Jones could be a "nucular" scientist....you're right.
But Madeleine can be further-developed scriptwise, regardless of her profession...she's Mr. White's daughter! Yes, that Mr. White!
Of course! Mr. White!
hmm....
I've no idea, was poking fun at Craig's delivery of that line in SP.
And now he is your enema,and you will stick a hosepipe up his arse.
At the time, especially around SF, I did. But not anymore, since it gives Mr. White some more relevancy in SP and coming up in Bond 25.
It's too bad that the original ending hasn't been included as a bonus feature at least. It would be enough to encourage audiences to buy the DVD if this scene included a retrospective interview with Marc Forster or Daniel Craig for commentary.
Then again, at least the scene addressed the issue of Guy Haines which Bond 25 has an opportunity to do if it takes advantage of it.
Honestly, I hated how they used Mr. White in SP.
I agree that they didn't use him to his fullest potential with the way they made him off himself like that.
Nevertheless, I'm glad that at least he came back with more screen time. We were lucky that SP allowed QoS to have direct references and serve as more of a sequel to QoS than SF did.
It takes a while to notice a few things....Mr. White is shown in his first scene again with an IV fluid attached to his body. It's a symbolic recall reference of how Mr. White was in a room with a dragged chair being brought up as he was getting attached to an IV at the beiginning of QoS.
Here is this man who oversaw an organization like Quantum and while being able to carry our multiple discussions through a night at the opera watching Tosca. A Bond villain who made it through three films using the same actor who didn't need to hide behind a scar or third nipple. Yet here he was melting away in his last days.
Bond was detached enough to sit down and play chess with this man before learning about and eventually protecting his daughter. Continuing his legacy through wouldn't have happened if the original ending of QoS had not been cut out.
Marc Forster was at a Q and A panel and mentioned his decision to remove this scene to allow for future films to continue off of the Quantum organization rather than to have Bond take it all out completely. Sadly, I kind a blame Sam Mendes for not giving us the proper sequel or for taking the story more gratefully from Forster to continue its development into its full potential.
What's your opinion, and how do you think it would have been better to keep the last scene rather than to let it end by having the viewers digest watching Bond drop Vesper's necklace in the snow?