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Yeah, the assumption was that if she's special then that must mean her parents were special too, because that's how it was with Luke. Then it turns out she's not special because of her parents, she's special because of her own potential. I think that's a more powerful message for children, to embrace your own uniqueness instead of getting caught up in what your lineage is. At least back in 1977, Luke was basically like Rey who could have been any other person but was unlocking their potential through the ways of the Force. Then the sequels come and surprise, he's actually the son of one of the most powerful space wizards in the galaxy and because of that lineage is the galaxy's only hope aside from SURPRISE his twin sister he was crushing on in the previous films.
I personally believe that while some comments were made about the film's attitude and the film's progressiveness going forward by the producers and cast, the whole extreme #MeToo angle has been heavily pushed by the tabloids, and after the outburst by a lot of people online because of it, they kept running stories based on that topic because they knew it'd get people to read, so now people who don't try to properly figure out whats going on or don't follow the franchise like we do, now think the film is just gonna be #MeToo propaganda.
...and now during the press tour prior the film's release, people will be asking ridiculous, probably uneducated questions about this topic, instead of asking more intelligent questions or even more entertaining questions about the film and what it was like making it? Sorry to rant but god it's frustrating lol...
At the end of the day they're just trying to make a film that they're proud of and that everyone can enjoy. James Bond has been quite a specific franchise fanbase for a while, and I know loads of people that have no real interest. To be honest I can probably say I'm the only real Bond fan I know personally, even just a bit, so if this can be the film that's gets more people into James Bond, then I'm all for it :)
It's a nice attempt, but not entirely accurate (as most times anything "Russian" is featured in a Western movie). The letters would be in cyrillic script, not latin. 96 is a vehicle registration code used in the Sverdlovsk Region where I come from. I believe there are also photos out there that show a 95 code - which is Chechnya. The two regions are about 2,000 km apart with very different terrains. So I'd be shocked if the use of those specific plate codes is intentional.
Of course, it's a Hamster wheel.
These youtubers have basically become an Extension of the tabloids. These are people with zero journalistic skills, or Research ability or knowledge of the filmbusiness who are in it purely for a quick buck, and doing that by grabbing your attention.
The tabloids have been doing that for decades. They have figured it all out. People like good news, but they are way more drawn by negative news.
You can put a picture of a puppy on a newspaper and people will go by it and think "Oh that's cute" and feel good and keep walking without picking it up.
The same would happen if you print "The New James Bond film is shaping up to be awesome and everything is going according to Plan" You will get the same reaction.
But now imgine the headline is "James Bond will have a vagina in his next adventure!!!"
Everyone goes "WTF?!? I need to check what this is about!"
It's attention grabbing. That's all it is.
Unfortunately many people can not differentiate between real news articles by credible journalists, and complete tabloid garbage with zero accountability.
Like these baffoons on Youtube.
Like that Aussie bloke that looks like Voldemort with leukemia. Lunatic.
He's hilarious, in a pitiful sort of way.
One of the Range Rovers seen in the scenes shot in Norway had the 95 vehicle registration code.
Not really. The dialogue only hints at her being special because she's strong with the Force, not because she's someones' daughter
Anakin was strong with the Force but his parents not so no, that was not necessary a logical assumption. But I agree that TLJ's message is more powerful.
Why we talking about star wars?
I guess, I just don't know who "they" are, so I am not at all fearful of any group sucking the life out of Bond. The franchise's changes are the changes in the times, and in many cases for the better. The shower scene with Vesper is a perfect example. Damn, what a good scene, and one that would have been out of place in Connery's first few films.
There will NOT be a female Bond. Not gonna happen. It's a "fun" conversation to have, in terms of who could pull that off. But it's just an exercise, and one I welcome, if for no other reason than it proves how relevant James Bond is to Western culture. We don't hear, "gee, we need a female Harry Potter" or "gee, we need a female Jason Bourne." Why? Because they're not James effin' Bond, that's why! So I entertain it, but I urge serious Bond fans not to make too much of it, MeToo, or TimesUp, or anything like that.
Exactly why?
@Resurrection don't ask me ask them.
I think he meant the lefties by they.
Why is there an assumption that all people that lean to the left feel that way?
I'm certainly no Conservative and I agree with what he said.
Well here again, who are "the lefties?" What does that even mean? Again, not only is this stuff only tangentially related to NTTD Filming, but it's vague and slightly shrill. The last two films made $2 billion and at least one of them had near-universal critical acclaim.
A smattering of voices have decided to pick on this or that aspect of the films particularly or the franchise generally - but certainly nothing any reasonable person should be painting with a broad brush.
Who they are?
I've come across blog posts, articles and interviews online, including one with Pierce Brosnan, in which the authors insisted that the Bond films are ready for a female Bond, an LGBT Bond, a ... I'm talking about those people. I'm not talking about lefties or righties or anything. How would that factor in here?
The connection with NTTD?
Never have these ideas been given more attention than now. Two reasons: Lashana as "007"; Craig's last so the casting for the next Bond can begin. Also, my first post (see previous page) was in response to a link posted by another member. I merely reacted to that; I didn't start anything out of the blue.
How seriously am I taking those people?
Not at all. It's just fun going through the exercise of thinking up arguments against them.
Ergo, don't worry. I don't mean to turn this into a hard debate. I just wanted to respond to a few voices on the Internet. I'm not starting a petition or anything, and I'm confident that EON won't get there. I hope this clarifies things. :)
EDIT: As for the accusation that I'm "overthinking" things.
1) Could be. :)
2) That's what we do here, isn't it? How else does one explain the hundreds of pages in this and the other production thread? ;-)
3) It's not a made-up thing. Even if it were only one article out there, surely we can still play this game and comment on it, no?
Accountants seem to be running MI6forums these days.
;-)
I suppose I’m a leftie as I think government should provide more than a growing GDP for it Citizens, and don’t feel threatened by the metoo movement or the changing responsibility of movie blockbusters’ representations of women.
I also think some people’s opinions are bordering on hysterical on both sides of the left right spectrum.
No politics please. :-?
It's called Twitter, isn't it? :)
I would have said that Facebook is worse for its hysterical comment threads, despite Twitter's (not invalid) reputation. There are a few Bond groups on Facebook that are now no-go zones thanks to disgruntled former MI6 Community members who have gone a bit mad.... ;)
there's even Defender with a 97 code:
(image from the jamesbond.de Facebook page)