The SEAN CONNERY Appreciation thread - Discuss His Life, His Career, His Bond Films

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  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
    edited September 2020 Posts: 7,021
    I just watched Family Business. As usual for me, I'd only seen part of it, the second half, but now I watched the whole thing. Now, I've seen several Lumet-directed films. Some I liked, some I didn't. This one I really, really liked. It's by far my favorite Lumet movie, and to me it's utterly mind boggling to see it's held in such little esteem.

    Based on writer Vincent Patrick's novel (and adapted by himself for the big screen), this is a splendid drama that conveys so much about how people relate to their parents, and how our outlook in life and our identity can be shaped one way or another by our families. It's interesting to see how the subject of crime has a different meaning for each main character. For Jessie, it's a natural way of life, and intriguingly, even a moral one (one scene in particular conveys his view on this). For his son Vito, it's a source of risk and trouble, as much as he can enjoy it deep down (an early scene in the meat packing plant already shows us that for better or worse, crime runs in his blood to some extent). For Adam, Vito's son, crime is a means of having the fun he feels he lacked in his childhood, and at the time we catch up with him in the film, it's also the best way he can muster to try to define his own identity, especially in contrast to his father's hopes and expectations for him (both Jessie and Adam find the concept of living a safe, stable life to be absurd, much to Vito's frustration). I like how the film approaches all these aspects in a straightforward, non-patronizing, non-judgmental way. It just presents the situation and we're allowed to draw our own conclusions.

    Connery, Hoffman and Broderick are all very good, each of them bringing a lively presence, hitting all the right emotional notes, and coming across very believably as a family, if not entirely in terms of age (I'm especifically referring to Connery and Hoffman here), then most certainly in terms of how they relate to each other. Rosanna DeSoto as Hoffman's wife must also be singled out, in an engaging performance that feels perfectly natural. Victoria Jackson's casting for a crucial little scene was spot on, and I loved seeing James Tolkan, who makes the most out of his very brief appearance.

    If there is one thing I might (repeat, might) change about the film, and more especifically its ending, perhaps it would be making Broderick's character a little more repentant at the end, as a means of conveying that while he can't bring himself to agree with what his father tried to do for him, he can appreciate it was born out of love for him. This would bring a stronger sense of emotional closure to the story. But with the ending as it is, at least it further conveys that Adam inherited much of Jessie's tough, uncompromising essence, and at any rate, we're left with Vito and Adam patching things up ("I'm sorry", both of them say), and Vito recognizing and respecting the fact that Adam has to follow his own path, which is neither what his father had in mind for him, nor what Adam himself had thought it might be, when he became enamoured with his grandfather's romantic notion of crime.

    I also enjoyed the contrast between Adam's paternal and maternal grandfathers, in terms of their lifestyles, their blood and their cultural differences.

    Wonderful film, thoughtful, detailed and touching. Absurdly underrated in my view.

    And it's the 27th Connery film I've seen.
  • DoctorNo wrote: »
    My top 10 Connery films (outside of Bond) -

    1. The Untouchables
    2. The Man Who Would be King
    3. The Offence (easily his best performance)
    4. The Rock
    5. Entrapment
    6. The Russia House
    7. Outland
    8. The Great Train Robbery
    9. Robin and Marion
    10. Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade

    Other great films worth mentioning, where he only has a smaller role -

    1. Highlander
    2. Time Bandits
    3. A Bridge Too Far

    What a legend. The only man worth looking up to.

    No Hunt For Red October?



    It's good, but not one of my favourites. I prefer Crimson Tide as a submarine drama, but I think Connery alone is one of the main positives for Red October.
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    I just watched Family Business. As usual for me, I'd only seen part of it, the second half, but now I watched the whole thing. Now, I've seen several Lumet-directed films. Some I liked, some I didn't. This one I really, really liked. It's by far my favorite Lumet movie, and to me it's utterly mind boggling to see it's held in such little esteem.

    Based on writer Vincent Patrick's novel (and adapted by himself for the big screen), this is a splendid drama that conveys so much about how people relate to their parents, and how our outlook in life and our identity can be shaped one way or another by our families. It's interesting to see how the subject of crime has a different meaning for each main character. For Jessie, it's a natural way of life, and intriguingly, even a moral one (one scene in particular conveys his view on this). For his son Vito, it's a source of risk and trouble, as much as he can enjoy it deep down (an early scene in the meat packing plant already shows us that for better or worse, crime runs in his blood to some extent). For Adam, Vito's son, crime is a means of having the fun he feels he lacked in his childhood, and at the time we catch up with him in the film, it's also the best way he can muster to try to define his own identity, especially in contrast to his father's hopes and expectations for him (both Jessie and Adam find the concept of living a safe, stable life to be absurd, much to Vito's frustration). I like how the film approaches all these aspects in a straightforward, non-patronizing, non-judgmental way. It just presents the situation and we're allowed to draw our own conclusions.

    Connery, Hoffman and Broderick are all very good, each of them bringing a lively presence, hitting all the right emotional notes, and coming across very believably as a family, if not entirely in terms of age (I'm especifically referring to Connery and Hoffman here), then most certainly in terms of how they relate to each other. Rosanna DeSoto as Hoffman's wife must also be singled out, in an engaging performance that feels perfectly natural. Victoria Jackson's casting for a crucial little scene was spot on, and I loved seeing James Tolkan, who makes the most out of his very brief appearance.

    If there is one thing I might (repeat, might) change about the film, and more especifically its ending, perhaps it would be making Broderick's character a little more repentant at the end, as a means of conveying that while he can't bring himself to agree with what his father tried to do for him, he can appreciate it was born out of love for him. This would bring a stronger sense of emotional closure to the story. But with the ending as it is, at least it further conveys that Adam inherited much of Jessie's tough, uncompromising essence, and at any rate, we're left with Vito and Adam patching things up ("I'm sorry", both of them say), and Vito recognizing and respecting the fact that Adam has to follow his own path, which is neither what his father had in mind for him, nor what Adam himself had thought it might be, when he became enamoured with his grandfather's romantic notion of crime.

    I also enjoyed the contrast between Adam's paternal and maternal grandfathers, in terms of their lifestyles, their blood and their cultural differences.

    Wonderful film, thoughtful, detailed and touching. Absurdly underrated in my view.

    And it's the 27th Connery film I've seen.

    Nice review. I actually caught this on opening weekend and kind of liked the lowkey way it moves, and Connery is in nice scoundrel form here. Not one I'd be quick to revisit, but I'd recommend everybody give it a try. It's not fast-moving, but nowhere as plodding as, say, The Russia House.
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
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    I just listened to some tracks from The Russia House soundtrack, and holy shee-it, that was goddamn perfect. I’m a huge jazz fan and I dig that Branford Marsalis plays the soprano saxophone, really beautiful. I always loved Goldsmith but I never ranked him shoulder to shoulder with my favorite film composers, John Williams, James Horner and Bernard Herrmann. That... may have been a grave error on my part.

    To keep this more on topic, I must say, you gotta love the career of a guy from Edinburgh, Scotland has played characters of English, American, Irish, Russian, Lithuanian and Egyptian-Spanish nationality. I guess this is partly because Connery’s accent isn’t quite what you’d call a typical Scottish accent, so it’s a little more flexible. Think of all the times Arnold Schwarzenegger played Americans, Russians and the like, despite the painfully obvious Austrian accent. :))
  • Birdleson wrote: »
    I would never allow my students to draw celebrities, but, ashamedly, for my demo I had to grab what was at hand. So I demonstrated portrait drawing by sketching Sean Connery.


    Wow, that's a completely different approach to me. I never set out lines to get the proportions of each part of the face, I draw completely from what my eye sees and straight on to the page. For some reason I always start with the most visible ear and then get the shape of the face from that.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I would never allow my students to draw celebrities, but, ashamedly, for my demo I had to grab what was at hand. So I demonstrated portrait drawing by sketching Sean Connery.


    Wow, that's a completely different approach to me. I never set out lines to get the proportions of each part of the face, I draw completely from what my eye sees and straight on to the page. For some reason I always start with the most visible ear and then get the shape of the face from that.

    Some good advice there. I always start with the nose, then the eyes, then the mouth, the jaw, ears, head, hair. Then fill out . If a body is attached, I just continue from the head and work my way down. Never thought about why I do it this way.
  • edited September 2020 Posts: 17,756
    Great drawing demo, @Birdleson!

    When I was younger, I always started out drawing lines and shapes like in the video. These days however, as I almost exclusively draw digitally, I sketch out the complete figure in full without helping lines, then do adjustments layer by layer until I get the result I want. It's not the "correct" way I guess, but it works.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I pretty much came up with my own system. You do what works, but the key is malleability.

    Indeed. It's always interesting to see how artists approach making artwork, as their techniques varies so greatly.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I pretty much came up with my own system. You do what works, but the key is malleability.

    Very impressive, Birdleson. Good technique.
    I do full colour caricatures! They're more cartoon though, not vicious. I tend to sketch with a blue pencil first, doing lots of lines. (Eyes are very important!) Then draw with a soft B pencil. My eye tells me which is the correct line! Its a bit harder than a portrait as you have to exaggerate expression! As you say, use your own system!
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I’m surprised that Connery was never approached for Batman 66. I could him poking his head out the window and chatting with Batman & Robin.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    I enjoyed that video. I used to draw a lot when I was a kid, at what I would imagine was a reasonably competent level for that age --I've still got a couple of drawings of Connery and Moore--, but I lost interest at some point. I did try my hand at it again a couple of months ago. I was copying this photo of a sports car with graphite pencils, but unlike my early drawings, this time I didn't try to "translate" the image into silhouette lines. Instead, I just tried to recreate the shapes I was seeing and their shading as closely as possible. It turned out nicely. I don't recall ever talking much about drawing with other people, so in the video it was nice to hear how certain parts of the image were used for reference in drawing other parts at the right size, position and distance (i.e. "the corner of the mouth lines up with the center of the eye"). I guess it's something we all do but it was nice to hear it.
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    Belated Birthday wishes to the LEGEND that is Sir Sean Connery! ^:)^
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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I just listened to some tracks from The Russia House soundtrack, and holy shee-it, that was goddamn perfect. I’m a huge jazz fan and I dig that Branford Marsalis plays the soprano saxophone, really beautiful. I always loved Goldsmith but I never ranked him shoulder to shoulder with my favorite film composers, John Williams, James Horner and Bernard Herrmann. That... may have been a grave error on my part.

    Yes, the love theme is surprisingly lush and full, it's fantastic.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2020 Posts: 16,413
    RIP Sir Sean.

    That's so sad news.
  • 00Heaven00Heaven Home
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    Holy crap. I've just seen the news. So sad :(. This year sucks.

    RIP.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Devastated Sean is the greatest
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
    edited October 2020 Posts: 25,133
    Sean Connery Talks James Bond 007 in Rare 1964 Interview
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    He put the bar very high for the following actors. In many ways, as much as anybody including Ian Fleming, we own him 58 glorious years of James Bond movies. Here's one monumental actor who'll never be forgotten. Thank you Sean Connery and may you rest in peace.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Gutted. No words could ever... RIP to an Immortal.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2020 Posts: 16,413
    He put the bar very high for the following actors. In many ways, as much as anybody including Ian Fleming, we own him 58 glorious years of James Bond movies.

    No doubt about it, yes indeed.

    I think it's a sad fact (correct me if I'm wrong) that Goldfinger has become the first James Bond film where no member of the main cast survives.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    I have never seen this interview before.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Marc Cousins has uploaded his in-depth conversation with him:

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    mtm wrote: »
    He put the bar very high for the following actors. In many ways, as much as anybody including Ian Fleming, we own him 58 glorious years of James Bond movies.

    No doubt about it, yes indeed.

    I think it's a sad fact (correct me if I'm wrong) that Goldfinger has become the first James Bond film where no member of the main cast survives.

    Shirley Eaton is still alive, I believe.
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    Not always the easiest interview, but Sir Sean was usually interesting and always worth the watch. I will likely be doing a lot of that today.
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
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    It's not a good day when you find out one of your childhood heroes dies but he certainly lived a life in his 90 years. There isn't much to say that hasn't already been said – Connery had charisma like no other and he's one of, if not the, reason that the Bond franchise has continued to exist. We as Bond fans owe a lot to him for his portrayal and the countless hours of entertainment he gave us. I'll be watching YOLT in his honor tonight as I think it's the most apt in this moment. RIP Sir Sean Connery.
  • WillyGalore_ReduxWillyGalore_Redux I like my beer cold, my TV loud and my homosexuals flaaaaaaming
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    Still one of my favourite scenes from one of my favourite movies. Connery and Caine were simply irresistible

  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I was watching that a few months ago and thinking how nice it was that the stars of a film from then are all still with us. Sad times.
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