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Ye, I am hoping to go again, possibly Tuesday, with the Missus! I didnt like SF on first viewing, (and subsequent viewings unfortunately), but am hoping this will be different! Actually, reading some of the positive views on here and listening to critic Mark Kermodes opinion has given me a bit of a different slant!
Again, where was one, just ONE Fleming adapted scene in NTTD (other than the poisonous garden)?
And when I say Fleming adapted scene, I mean something like the scenes in LTK or FYEO, or TLD, or even OP. Entire moments used and adapted fairly closely. Not a subtle blink-and-you-miss-it nod or reference name check.
I can relate to all of this. I didn't like the idea on paper, but it worked for me just fine in the film. And I walked into the cinema hoping for NTTD to make it into my top 20 somehow, but it's in the same top 5-10 region you describe.
Bond hasn’t died in any of the previous films though…
Yes the proper YOLT ending would have been infinitely preferable to what we got. It still would have ended Craig's era decisively with a proper piece of Fleming material, but still gave everyone an out.
There we go. I liked some elements of the film, but Babs, Wilson and Craig have gone way too far this time.
With CR it surged again and, like Goldeneye before it, "saved the franchise" (some exaggeration in that, but that was an attitude and impression it seems many fans had and has some merit) ... and now with this strong ending for Daniel's Bond, it gives a solid footing for going forward. Much better than ending it with Spectre. Bodes well for the next future. And the whole "Who will be the next Bond?" excitement and buzz will be building up in 2022, no doubt about that.
Oh absolutely. That'll engage, and no doubt probably enrage, fandom once again. The Craig era has been sealed off and we'll be starting afresh. Bond 26 could go anywhere and it's an exciting prospect.
That’s opinion though. At this moment I couldn’t care less who the next Bond is, for me it’s over
I think you are forgetting that what made Jaws work was the emotional connection the audience had with the characters.
Also, I don't think it is particularly important for the next film to reference how the last Bond died. I haven't given it much thought, but I think they will find a way that is suitable. Personally, I'm happy if it's not mentioned, just intro a new Bond. I can see now full threads will be devoted to how the next Bond should be introduced, whether to tell the story connected to Craig's Bond dying, etc. Well, it should be interesting; the next 2 years. Never a dull moment. ;)
Apologies if I came across as aggressive. I am just shocked at how upset I am about this film. I didn’t see the ending coming and feel it was a sun Bond-like as ending as you could get. The Romantic in me just wanted to see him finish the film, retired, with Madeline and Mathilde with him (which is also very un bond like)
At least in NTTD he died as "007" and not just "commander Bond."
Funeral eulogy: "He didn't pay attention, 007"
Funnily, Peter Hunt did a prank on the producers where in FRWL he has Bond opening the brief case the wrong way then cuts to a massive explosion and credits.
They killed Felix - OK,
they killed Ernst - OK, why not,
they gave away his 007 - I don't care,
Bond has a child - OK.
But then letting Bond DIE in the easiest and dumbest pseudo-hero way is just too much. Thats not Fleming, that's just bullshit, sorry.
I always wanted Craig back for another movie after SP - but with this ending he should have just left after SP. They have absolutely no idea how they are damaging the character of James Bond, who is much bigger than one movie or a couple of movies. They have ruined a legacy of 60 years in the silliest way. Why? To give Craig one last big blast? Are you f*** kidding me?
Bond is introduced in the blackest of blacks and goes out in the whitest of whites.
Food for thought.
Could do with a like button here but in its absence I couldn’t agree more
Hahahahahaha I never knew that. I'd love to see that. I get some fan could just make it in Premiere, but I'd love to see Hunt's version.