007 heading to streaming? Amazon buys MGM for $8.45 billion!

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  • edited June 3 Posts: 580
    Bond 26 isn't coming in 2026, we would have some official knowledge by now if it was.

    That's completely untrue and you know it! Seriously, why do you keep acting like you are a complete newbie who has no idea what the production schedule of an average Bond film is like? What do you get out of constantly trolling?

    Just one of of many many examples that prove that your claim is incorrect: Sam Mendes was announced to direct Bond 24 (which became Spectre) unusually early, on Jul 11, 2013 and they didn't even start writing the script until late 2013 or early 2014. The movie was then released in late 2015.

    Heck, if they are aiming to release Bond 26 in late 2026, don't expect any official news about it until the end of this year! If there are still no official Bond 26 news by spring 2025, then you will be able to start claiming that Bond 26 by the end of 2026 is becoming less likely. Right now not only a late 2026, but even a summer 2026 release is entirely possible.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited June 3 Posts: 8,456
    Bond 26 isn't coming in 2026, we would have some official knowledge by now if it was.

    That's completely untrue and you know it! Seriously, why do you keep acting like you are a complete newbie who has no idea what the production schedule of an average Bond film is like? What do you get out of constantly trolling?

    Just one of of many many examples that prove that your claim is incorrect: Sam Mendes was announced to direct Bond 24 (which became Spectre) unusually early, on Jul 11, 2013 and they didn't even start writing the script until late 2013 or early 2014. The movie was then released in late 2015.

    Heck, if they are aiming to release Bond 26 in late 2026, don't expect any official news about it until the end of this year! If there are still no official Bond 26 news by spring 2025, then you will be able to start claiming that Bond 26 by the end of 2026 is becoming less likely. Right now not only a late 2026, but even a summer 2026 release is entirely possible.

    With SP they already had an encumbent bond and you know that. They also had a clear course to take with the SP and Blofeld rights coming back to them, and there was an incentive to capitalise on the success of Skyfall. We're in a completely different scenario now, there's no certainties anymore. I hope you're right and things do start to roll fairly soon, but simply assuming full-on production is beginning in 18 months time despite not hearing a simple word regarding development is a bit of a bizarre stance IMO.
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    Bond 26 isn't coming in 2026, we would have some official knowledge by now if it was.

    That's completely untrue and you know it! Seriously, why do you keep acting like you are a complete newbie who has no idea what the production schedule of an average Bond film is like? What do you get out of constantly trolling?

    Just one of of many many examples that prove that your claim is incorrect: Sam Mendes was announced to direct Bond 24 (which became Spectre) unusually early, on Jul 11, 2013 and they didn't even start writing the script until late 2013 or early 2014. The movie was then released in late 2015.

    Heck, if they are aiming to release Bond 26 in late 2026, don't expect any official news about it until the end of this year! If there are still no official Bond 26 news by spring 2025, then you will be able to start claiming that Bond 26 by the end of 2026 is becoming less likely. Right now not only a late 2026, but even a summer 2026 release is entirely possible.

    With SP they already had an encumbent bond and you know that. They also had a clear course to take with the SP and Blofeld rights coming back to them, and there was an incentive to capitalise on the success of Skyfall. We're in a completely different scenario now, there's no certainties anymore. I hope you're right and things do start to roll fairly soon, but simply assuming full-on production is beginning in 18 months time despite not hearing a simple word regarding development is a bit of a bizarre stance IMO.

    18 months are a lot.

    They can make the whole movie with that time.
  • Posts: 2,171
    On the working assumption that EoN at least have a general direction of travel set, then 18 months seems reasonable to allow a Nov/ Dec 2025 start. Film production studios and locations get booked years in advance, so if they are going to do that, they would need to start booking Pinewood out.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Mallory wrote: »
    On the working assumption that EoN at least have a general direction of travel set, then 18 months seems reasonable to allow a Nov/ Dec 2025 start. Film production studios and locations get booked years in advance, so if they are going to do that, they would need to start booking Pinewood out.

    Vin Diesel just released a set photo for Fast 11, and the movie doesn't come out until 2026. Films are already in production that are releasing that year, cameras are rolling, and Bond 26 isn't even a twinkle in Barbara Broccoli's eye yet.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    I think another thing to consider is, this is the first time they've killed James Bond off. The delay could be Eon really considering how to launch the next era. The next Bond film after Bond's death needs to be really, really, really good and in all aspects of production. The film needs to be triumphant as ever.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    Mallory wrote: »
    On the working assumption that EoN at least have a general direction of travel set, then 18 months seems reasonable to allow a Nov/ Dec 2025 start. Film production studios and locations get booked years in advance, so if they are going to do that, they would need to start booking Pinewood out.

    Vin Diesel just released a set photo for Fast 11, and the movie doesn't come out until 2026. Films are already in production that are releasing that year, cameras are rolling, and Bond 26 isn't even a twinkle in Barbara Broccoli's eye yet.

    I would actually solidly say Bond 26 is only a twinkle in BB's eye for now. Just not much else lol. For me, Bond 26 will be the video game.
  • Posts: 580
    I hope you're right and things do start to roll fairly soon,
    I am not saying that things will start to roll soon. Heck, it's entirely possible that there won't be a Bond 26 for another decade or more. All I am saying is that a 2026 release isn't out of the question yet at all.

    If Bond 26 will have the same production schedule and announcements schedule as Casino Royale did, and if it will be released in late 2026, then the director will be announced in early 2025 and the Bond actor will be announced in late 2025.
  • edited July 22 Posts: 374
    Bond 26 may not be filmed at Pinewood?
    Amazon Prime Video is acquiring Bray Film Studios, the U.K. studio complex where The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power shot its second season.

    The vast production site is located in Water Oakley, Berkshire, 26 miles from central London, and is set to become the U.K. “creative home” for Amazon MGM Studios.
    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/amazon-mgm-studios-bray-the-rings-of-power-1235945982/

    I don't think it will have any bearing when Bond 26 gets made, but Pinewood studios may not be the first choice for production.
    Amazon MGM Studios plans to produce both new and continuing TV series and feature films at the studio site.

    It would make sense to film Bond 26 'in house' at Bray Film Studios? I guess so.



  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I'm not sure it would be big enough as it is at the moment.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    In 2019 Disney leased most of Pinewood Studios for at least a decade, and Netflix signed a long term deal at Shepperton Studios. It was, at the time, believed that there is a possibility that future Bond films will still be filmed there, but a lot has changed since 2019.

    Can Bray Studios has the capacity to accommodate a Bond film without expanding? Or could production be split between Bray and Pinewood perhaps?
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    EON can film wherever they please. Amazon doesn't dictate that.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    On a less extreme take, I would advise us all to consider our Bond history books telling us that, almost every time especially in the modern era, the action is built around the set capabilities afforded by certain amenities at Pinewood specifically, like the dunk tank and sheer scale of it. They will likely try to use those opportunities again in the designing of the story. They could do it elsewhere, but Pinewood keeps it mostly UK production and they probably get a lot of credibility and benefit from that regard.
  • Posts: 1,462
    I don't think it matters too much. I don't think they're going to build big sets in the future. The green screen is here to stay.
  • edited July 22 Posts: 4,310
    I don't think it matters too much. I don't think they're going to build big sets in the future. The green screen is here to stay.

    They still build a lot of sets and do a lot of location shooting though. Even with VFX/CGI/'green screen' it'd still be mixed with those two things (even Misson Impossible uses CGI when Tom Cruise is scaling the Burj Khalifa or hanging off a plane or train or whatever). If anything it's all more integrated nowadays.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited December 20 Posts: 4,538
    Barbara Broccoli whant to make new Bond movie without Amazon ?

    https://www.darkhorizons.com/bond-franchise-stalled-by-creative-stalemate/
    Bond Franchise Stalled By Creative Stalemate?
    By Garth FranklinFriday, December 20th 2024 1:48 pm
    Apple Plans James Bond Music Doco Series
    EON, MGM & Universal Pictures
    Many have been wondering why, three years after “No Time to Die” opened and five years after it wrapped production, EON Productions and producers Barbara Broccoli and Michael G. Wilson still haven’t decided on a new James Bond candidate yet.

    A new feature piece in The Wall Street Journal has now come up with an explanation, saying the franchise’s future is currently in limbo as EON and MGM’s owner Amazon are reportedly at an impasse.

    The paper claims the “relationship between the family that oversees the franchise and the e-commerce giant has all but collapsed.” Because of that, any “near-term hope of a new Bond film” has been “scuttled”.

    This is a problem as the Bond franchise has represented a significant share of the $6.5 billion the company paid for the studio and has long been MGM’s biggest cash cow.

    Broccoli maintains strong control over the franchise and decides when a new Bond movie can go into production – Amazon is unable to make any new Bond projects without her approval and involvement.

    The paper, who spoke to over 20 people who are familiar with the feud, claims she “doesn’t trust algorithm-centric Amazon” with the character.

    Amazon has reportedly presented Broccoli with a number of ideas for Bond spin-offs, reimaginings, and more. Amazon Studios chief Jennifer Salke says Broccoli was irked in one early meeting when Salke reportedly referred to Bond by a naughty word – ‘content’. Using that term was “like a ‘death knell’ to Broccoli” according to a source.

    At a last update from Broccoli, the film has no script, story or actor in mind yet for the role.

    MGM owns 49% of Bond, but in my opinion from moment MGM be bought by a company i think there should it cell it back to original owners first. If there have bought Disney it does not mean there have something to say about Pixar. Disney bought Fox with animated part of Fox and i think that was a mistake from Fox to include that. I think for example MGM or Sony should have bought that part. In other words are Amazon paying Eon?
  • edited December 21 Posts: 374
    Wow. This is major and worrying news if genuine.
    And just before Christmas!

    This is just a suggestion but if we accept Amazon is primarily a retail company with a smaller tv and film division then there's little incentive to want to produce films for theatrical release? Maybe Amazon's plan for the franchise is to switch to limited theatrical release (or no theatrical release at all) and straight to Amazon Prime. Bond 26 exclusively on Amazon Prime would be a great way to enhance its streaming business and get new punters to join Prime. Amazon is impossibly rich - estimated net worth $2.34 trillion - so it doesn't need Bond 26 or 27 etc in the cinema. Let's assume Bond 26 is 400 million dollars total cost including marketing. Eon insist "Bond 26 must be a worldwide theatrical release" and Jennifer Salke, CEO of Amazon MGM Studios, says "no. That's not what we want. It's in Amazon's best interests to release Bond 26 straight to Amazon Prime."

    An impasse.

    Another scenario is Amazon file a lawsuit against Eon/Danjaq for unreasonable delay in making Bond 26. This could be potentially disastrous for Eon because if a judge were to deem Eon were acting in an unreasonable way, not in good faith, Eon would be liable to pay Amazon x amount in lost earnings and breach of contract. If Amazon were to win Eon would be legally required to make Bond 26 by a certain date and if Eon can't stand Amazon then Eon could really play dirty and make a offer to Disney or some other studio. Eon sell up to stop Amazon.That doesn't help Bond 26 because you could end up with Amazon and Disney/or whoever battling in the courts over ownership... or they agree to share the cost of production and profit.

    If this news is accurate I think Eon should sell up. This is just my opinion but they completely screwed up by killing James Bond 007 in No Time To Die. This was a staggeringly dumb, short term, self-destructive decision and I fear they're in a whole heap of trouble that they engineered. Daniel Craig is equally to blame. Had Barbara Broccoli refused Craig's demand to kill off Bond we wouldn't be in this sorry position. Amazon and Eon may have been on the same page.

    As it is the franchise is in limbo and it appears Eon's vision is at odds with Amazon's. The obvious route is, as mentioned above - Amazon file a lawsuit for unreasonable delay but I'm not sure Amazon want to sabotage their relationship with Eon.

  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited December 21 Posts: 3,160
    I'm the opposite, tbh. I'd rather wait longer for a real Bond film than have Amazon take control, water-down the character and bastardise the series into a 'franchise' full of spin-offs. Rather than deal with the same kind of seemingly endless rounds of frustration and disappointment that Star Wars fans seem to be enduring in recent years, I could even see myself ignoring an Amazon-led future and coming to view NTTD as the final Bond film.
  • Posts: 374
    There's a new article reporting Amazon were happy with Red One's theatrical box office (which was very disappointing) because it led to it being very popular on Amazon Prime.

    This is the new business model. Films doing less well at the cinema but used as a means to get people to watch it on Amazon or wherever. Also, streamers don't share the profits with the cinema chains when the film is video on demand. If Bond 26 had limited or zero theatrical release but it were the biggest ever vod hit on Amazon Prime, Amazon keep the cash. No profit share with the global cinema chains.

    Collider:

    Red One’ Wasn’t Hurt by Its Theatrical Release
    Dwayne Johnson in Red One

    Amazon Studios, which also releases titles from MGM, has a very interesting strategy when it comes to their theatrically released titles. Due to contracts signed during the initial MGM deal, many MGM films such as Challengers and Nickel Boys were given robust theatrical releases before they were made available on streaming. Comparatively, the original titles that came directly from Amazon Studios tended to avoid theaters all together, even though films like the romantic comedy The Idea of You or the action thriller Road House had the possibility to be decently sized hits. Amazon made the decision to put Red One in theaters, despite the fact that it had been initially developed to go straight to Prime Video. Although it boasted a budget of $250 million, it is hard to classify Red One as a box office bomb, as it was intended to make a majority of its profits on streaming.
    Even if it never ended up becoming a massive breakout at the box office, Red One was able to support theaters during a gap in the calendar year before the ending of November. Although the Thanksgiving holiday brought forth two box office juggernauts in the form of Wicked: Part I and Moana 2, the early weeks of the month had been relatively light in terms of films intended for a family audience, as The Wild Robot from September had already been available on VOD. Red One was able to keep theaters running for a brief period, which suggests that Amazon Studios is interested in forming a positive relationship with theater-owners. This will certainly be beneficial when Amazon Studios rolls out its next major theatrical title, such as the upcoming James Bond film that will feature Daniel Craig’s replacement.

    It has been proven that films that are released in theaters tend to do well on streaming, regardless of how they perform at the box office. There are few examples this year that are better than Argylle, the critically derided spy thriller from director Matthew Vaughn. Despite bombing at the box office, Argylle managed to become one of the most watched titles in the history of the service. Unfortunately, Apple TV has appeared to abandon this strategy all-together; following the financial disappointments of films like Napoleon and Fly Me To The Moon, the studio has pivoted to only releasing their films in select theaters a week before their streaming debut. This ended up leading to the cancelation of the sequel to Wolfs, as director Jon Watts felt that he could no longer trust Apple TV to fulfill their end of the contract.

    I think it's a weird business model. The fact is Red One did flop at the box office.

    Grosses
    Domestic (53.2%)
    $93,916,934
    International (46.8%)
    $82,600,000
    Worldwide
    $176,516,934

    Given the 250 million budget that's a huge flop so if it goes to streaming and is a success that doesn't negate the awful box office. Ideally, you want Red One to do over 500 million and then go to streaming but the cinema chains take around half that gross.

    It's all weird but I guess the bottom line is Amazon would probably prefer Bond 26 as limited theatrical release or straight to vod. You bypass the cinema chains and increase viewers/subscribers to your streaming and retail apps.


  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Amazon's business model is not Barbara and Michael's business model. It's tough to be a minority partner sometimes. ;)
  • Posts: 374
    The director of the recent Wolfs (starring Brad Pitt and George Clooney) was so angry with Apple for denying it a full theatrical release, he refused to commit to a sequel. I don't know if sequel was a viable option - the film got a muted reaction from critics and film goers - but it just goes to show the streaming companies are in charge. Barbara Broccoli may not be able to get the better of Amazon!
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Amazon is not in control. Barbara is. That's why Amazon is, allegedly, frustrated.
  • edited December 21 Posts: 374
    But Amazon provide the money. No money no film.

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    They need each other.

    Amazon are so wealthy and money always talks the loudest in business so unless Amazon are prepared to sell their stake (and why would they?)... I think Eon aren't going to win this battle. I get the impression Barbara Broccoli always gets what she wants but I reckon it's impossible to beat Amazon. Amazon is so rich they could buy every studio in Hollywood and still have mountains of cash! Unless Amazon are so desperate to get Bond 26 made and will completely compromise I think it's game over for Eon's James Bond. Eon will have to compromise because regardless of your view of Amazon - a good or bad company - they hold the purse strings.

    Whatever influence/power Eon had over MGM does not apply to Amazon. It's possible Barbara Broccoli has underestimated Amazon. They've far more powerful than the old MGM (prior to its sale).




  • Posts: 399
    bondywondy wrote: »
    Wow. This is major and worrying news if genuine.
    And just before Christmas!

    This is just a suggestion but if we accept Amazon is primarily a retail company with a smaller tv and film division then there's little incentive to want to produce films for theatrical release? Maybe Amazon's plan for the franchise is to switch to limited theatrical release (or no theatrical release at all) and straight to Amazon Prime. Bond 26 exclusively on Amazon Prime would be a great way to enhance its streaming business and get new punters to join Prime. Amazon is impossibly rich - estimated net worth $2.34 trillion - so it doesn't need Bond 26 or 27 etc in the cinema. Let's assume Bond 26 is 400 million dollars total cost including marketing. Eon insist "Bond 26 must be a worldwide theatrical release" and Jennifer Salke, CEO of Amazon MGM Studios, says "no. That's not what we want. It's in Amazon's best interests to release Bond 26 straight to Amazon Prime."

    An impasse.

    Another scenario is Amazon file a lawsuit against Eon/Danjaq for unreasonable delay in making Bond 26. This could be potentially disastrous for Eon because if a judge were to deem Eon were acting in an unreasonable way, not in good faith, Eon would be liable to pay Amazon x amount in lost earnings and breach of contract. If Amazon were to win Eon would be legally required to make Bond 26 by a certain date and if Eon can't stand Amazon then Eon could really play dirty and make a offer to Disney or some other studio. Eon sell up to stop Amazon.That doesn't help Bond 26 because you could end up with Amazon and Disney/or whoever battling in the courts over ownership... or they agree to share the cost of production and profit.

    If this news is accurate I think Eon should sell up. This is just my opinion but they completely screwed up by killing James Bond 007 in No Time To Die. This was a staggeringly dumb, short term, self-destructive decision and I fear they're in a whole heap of trouble that they engineered. Daniel Craig is equally to blame. Had Barbara Broccoli refused Craig's demand to kill off Bond we wouldn't be in this sorry position. Amazon and Eon may have been on the same page.

    As it is the franchise is in limbo and it appears Eon's vision is at odds with Amazon's. The obvious route is, as mentioned above - Amazon file a lawsuit for unreasonable delay but I'm not sure Amazon want to sabotage their relationship with Eon.

    I’m not sure that the death of Bond in NTTD and the impasse in which EON and Amazon find themselves have any relation. That just doesn’t make sense at all.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Anyone insisting that killing Bond in NTTD lead to this are just being emotional.
  • edited December 21 Posts: 4,310
    Agreed. NTTD has nothing to do with any of this.

    We'll see how this ends. As much as many of us want to see one side 'win' in all this, I can imagine the result being far more consolatory in practice (short of something major happening anyway, but it doesn't look like Amazon/MGM are going to give up their half of Bond, and EON aren't going to compromise on what they see as the fundamentals of Bond films. Both parties will have to work out something in practice to make a Bond film, and I suspect both parties would like a Bond film to be made). There are rarely heroes or villains in these situations no matter who we side with (and for the record, I'd personally trust EON more in this situation).
  • Posts: 349
    Barbara Broccoli is 64 and Michael Wilson is 82. Their creative reliance on Craig may suggest that their enthusiasm and creativity are waning. Maybe they don’t want to compromise and may be happy to procrastinate and effectively retire, before they agree to something that they fundamentally oppose. Never underestimate the will power of a rich retiree-aged worker to resist doing something that they do not want to do.

    Amazon media chiefs on the other hand are employees, with targets to meet. They may conclude that they only way to get something moving is to give in to EON. Or they may not accept reality, and try to play ‘my business owner is richer than you’ and in five years time find that they are no nearer getting any ‘content’ out there
  • Posts: 4,310
    Troy wrote: »
    Barbara Broccoli is 64 and Michael Wilson is 82. Their creative reliance on Craig may suggest that their enthusiasm and creativity are waning. Maybe they don’t want to compromise and may be happy to procrastinate and effectively retire, before they agree to something that they fundamentally oppose. Never underestimate the will power of a rich retiree-aged worker to resist doing something that they do not want to do.

    Amazon media chiefs on the other hand are employees, with targets to meet. They may conclude that they only way to get something moving is to give in to EON. Or they may not accept reality, and try to play ‘my business owner is richer than you’ and in five years time find that they are no nearer getting any ‘content’ out there

    I wouldn't try to psychoanalyse people none of us know. I'm not sure if I'd say their creativity was waning based on their previous films (insofar as I can only see the finished product). Their recent output/involvement in other projects has also been significant and pretty engaged, at least as a whole company.

    It's all in the narrative. Are EON in this situation the steadfast defenders of Bond/cinema in general, or are Amazon the innovators being held back by the old guard? Back a few weeks ago many would have said EON were disinterested and indecisive. Now that idea has been somewhat shattered. I'd say these are two companies (which are always made up of individuals) trying to represent their interests in this product. You might sympathise more with EON, or maybe not.

    Personally, I'd hope for an undramatic end to this where both parties can be at least somewhat happy going into a Bond film (insofar as these things are never completely perfect anyway). We'll see.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Agreed. NTTD has nothing to do with any of this.

    We'll see how this ends. As much as many of us want to see one side 'win' in all this, I can imagine the result being far more consolatory in practice (short of something major happening anyway, but it doesn't look like Amazon/MGM are going to give up their half of Bond, and EON aren't going to compromise on what they see as the fundamentals of Bond films. Both parties will have to work out something in practice to make a Bond film, and I suspect both parties would like a Bond film to be made). There are rarely heroes or villains in these situations no matter who we side with (and for the record, I'd personally trust EON more in this situation).

    Yes, the end to this is just that they'll end up working together. It'll take compromise on both sides, but somehow, eventually, they'll get there.
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