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The theories of Bond films! How does Bond have an gadget outfitted DB-5 in SF?

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  • Scaramanga1974Scaramanga1974
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    Murdock wrote: »
    My headcanon is that Blofeld used decoys. This also goes by my usual watch order of YOLT to DAF to OHMSS.

    The "Blofeld" Bond meets in YOLT isn't the real one. He's Largo's replacement. He runs S.P.E.C.T.R.E.'s Japanese operations while the real Blofeld is setting up his Piz Gloria operation.

    After his failure of losing the volcano base, the scarred "Blofeld" is executed by the Charles Gray version who in my headcanon is Henderson turned defector. With Bond on S.P.E.C.T.R.E.'s trail, Henderson faked his death and began his plans of being the next decoy for S.P.E.C.T.R.E.'s Las Vegas operations.

    DAF starts immediately after YOLT and is also the start of operation bedlam. Bond has been on a manhunt for Blofeld and when he thinks he finally found him, he's shocked to see Henderson instead. The events of the movie unfold as normal which leads into OHMSS. This whole time Bond has been meeting decoys and imposters and so he finally meets the true Blofeld in OHMSS.

    Blofeld's operation in OHMSS has been so important that it requires his direct involvement for establishing the clinic and all the patients so it makes sense that he would use doubles to handle his other operations around the world. He wouldn't have much time to worry about Bond chasing his doubles while he's busy setting up his new cover and institute at Piz Gloria.

    With the way the movie unfolds Bond breaks Blofeld's neck permanently paralyzing him which drives him to attempt to murder Bond only to kill Tracy instead. After that Blofeld goes into hiding for many years until he learns about Bond's annual visits to Tracy's grave and uses the last of his resources to kill him in the PTS of FYEO. That attempt ultimately leads to his true demise.


    That's how I perceive things anyway. :P

    Brilliant. Absolutely love this theory.

  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Is it possible that when Bond is looking at the photo of Fekkesh and Sandor appears in the corridor above, that Bond was aware?
    Bond then looks in the other room and returns. As Bond returns to Felicca he would have a peripheral view of the room and the corridor above. Maybe he got a location of the person above him.
    It reminds me of the scene in TB, where after finding Dervals corpse Bond goes to make a phone call, only to use the phone to foil a would be assassin. Bond was aware of the assassin, but the audience isn't alerted to his knowledge.
    The same thing could be true of TSWLM.

    Who has a corridor above their living area like that? Allowing randoms to just peak down into your home. Weird!
  • Reflsin2bourbonsReflsin2bourbons
    Posts: 339
    Maybe Felicca thinks Bond is in on the job and she moves to struggle away from him, inadvertently getting into the line of fire. I don't think Bond intentionally tried to kill Felicca because for all he knows she's an innocent woman.
  • BT3366BT3366
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    Consider that TSWLM is thought of as the movie that established Moore's Bond persona. with a lot of spectacle and fantasy elements to it. Then think about the ways in which Bond uses his 00 status for in this film - dropping the helpless Sandor off the roof after he gives information; using a missile to eliminate Naomi as she's idling above him; blowing the defenseless Stromberg away after he shot his bolt. These are all rather cold-blooded in the vein of Connery's Bond, so maybe his using the woman as a shield was all part of the creative team wanting to remind the audience he's a 00 behind the quips and charm.

    Moore made no secret of his discomfort in kicking Loque's car off the cliff in FYEO, but some of these deaths were equally cold and I don't think he's ever commented on those.

    Sorry, I didn't answer the question directly, but I'm guessing it's her or him and she's the shield. In many films, he shows a bit of remorse at a death he's caused and there's not even a second glance at her.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,234
    BT3366 wrote: »
    Moore made no secret of his discomfort in kicking Loque's car off the cliff in FYEO, but some of these deaths were equally cold and I don't think he's ever commented on those.

    It's a good point. It is pretty identical to Sandor, really; although I guess that was a little jokier perhaps- maybe that's why he seemed more comfortable with it? Mind you, it's not as if he didn't toss a quip in after Loque too. Odd isn't it.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,508
    "Why does Bond use Fakesh's secretary as a human shield?"

    Because he's Mister Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    edited February 19 Posts: 1,657
    Because it worked in Goldfinger.

    I think she's bad but she liked Bond at the last second. Too late for her..
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited February 19 Posts: 4,699
    At risk of dying on these fields of the human shield debate here…

    I think Sandor shot first to silence the secretary. Bond wasn’t at fault.

    We’ll see whether I’m wrong or not, haha. I do wonder what a rewatch of the footage says.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I've always seen it as her having a change of heart at the last second, for whatever reason, and sacrificing herself in the process. Illogical, but Bond has that magic way about him.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Nice, thanks for those theories and thoughts. I have some ideas to wrap my brain around. Always bothered me that Bond seemed to use an innocent as a shield.

    Okay time for another spot in a film that requires a theory. Bond has battled many a foe. Most of these battles are straightforward and play out with some degree of believability. However one battle left me perplexed.

    I am of course talking about Bond meeting Bambi and Thumper! These two women have their way with Bond on land and then the moment they hit the pool Bond is able to overpower both of them to the point where they quickly give up. Always bothered me how fierce women would meekly surrender. So I have to ask any theories to explain this away?

    For your viewing pleasure here is the battle:




    My Dad said because a man would weigh more in water than the women it would allow Bond to overpower. Not sure if I believe that, so I am open to other suggestions.
  • bondywondybondywondy Uk
    edited February 24 Posts: 487
    Bond is a British secret agent.
    He works for the British secret service MI6.
    Bond is British.
    M is British.
    Q is British.

    So why is the original Moneypenny American? Her accent is clearly American. Lois Maxwell was Canadian.

    Why did Eon cast a Canadian actress when you would assume Moneypenny would be British. She's British from TLD to NTTD.

    Lois Maxwell was my favourite Moneypenny so I never noticed her incongruous accent when watching the films. 😉
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    How does Bond overpower Bambi and Thumper in the pool?

    Well, we know what he can do with his little finger.

    Okay, I'll leave now.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    Bond wasn't expecting them to be so vicious, so he let his guard down at first. Plus he didn't want to hit women. In the pool, he uses his superior strength to overpower them using the least amount of violence and brutality as possible.

    Regarding Blofeld in OHMSS, in my head canon Bond was disguised as a Japanese in YOLT when he met Blofeld. As poorly disguised as he was, it was enough to conceal his real appearance. The Bray persona did the rest.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    edited February 24 Posts: 1,657
    Because the girls were faster but he is stronger.
  • thedovethedove hiding in the Greek underworld
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    Good stuff, the modern Bond films aren't without some moments that make you wonder. Lets look at Skyfall. Bond is looking to take M off the grid, well off the grid with some breadcrumbs.

    He kidnaps her and takes her out of London. But they head out in an Aston Martin DB-5. During the ride Bond shows the ejector seat button when M starts complaining about the comfort of the car.

    We saw that he won a DB-5 at a poker game in CR but that was a civilian car. He is not seen with the car again until SF. So let the theories begin, was this the same car he won at poker but with optional extras installed by Q? Was this a different car that was outfitted with gadgets from Q branch? Q says they aren't into gadgets earlier in the film so one has to wonder how did this DB-5 get outfitted?

    What is your theory on how Bond had an outfitted DB-5 in SF?

  • Reflsin2bourbonsReflsin2bourbons
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    Like John Gardner's Bond, Craig's Bond got his car customised privately by Communication Control Systems Ltd.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
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    The car always had gadgets, courtesy of Alex Dimitrios.
  • GerardGerard
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    He bought it on the cheap from Q Branch as part of an inventory clearance sale.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    thedove wrote: »
    Good stuff, the modern Bond films aren't without some moments that make you wonder. Lets look at Skyfall. Bond is looking to take M off the grid, well off the grid with some breadcrumbs.

    He kidnaps her and takes her out of London. But they head out in an Aston Martin DB-5. During the ride Bond shows the ejector seat button when M starts complaining about the comfort of the car.

    We saw that he won a DB-5 at a poker game in CR but that was a civilian car. He is not seen with the car again until SF. So let the theories begin, was this the same car he won at poker but with optional extras installed by Q? Was this a different car that was outfitted with gadgets from Q branch? Q says they aren't into gadgets earlier in the film so one has to wonder how did this DB-5 get outfitted?

    What is your theory on how Bond had an outfitted DB-5 in SF?


    I believe its supposed to be an old "company car", not the Bahamas DB5. But I don't think Sam Mendes really cared too much about thinking this one out.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited February 27 Posts: 4,699
    I’d like to think he took the car and fitted it out with stuff from Q Branch, off the books of course, perhaps ‘persuaded’ a smart female colleague to help before good old Q took over. A bit like how in the books he equips it with turbo charger and place for his gun.

    Personally that’s more or less the idea I’ve always got. Ask viewers who’ve only seen the Craig films and I think it’s the same.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    I guess this is another instance where the filmmakers said, "screw it, continuity only matters when we say so." At this point in the film, we're not supposed to wonder about such things.

    But yeah, I guess at some point Q branch may have outfitted the car in case Bond wanted to spend the weekend at a lake. Geese can be aggressive animals.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited February 27 Posts: 17,234
    Yeah I think it's the same car. He won it in the Bahamas, but that was retroactively turned into part of his Le Chiffre mission, so MI6 took ownership of the car and shipped back to the UK to sit in storage. Bond on the other hand got friendly with the Q Branch fellas looking after it and worked out a plan where it could become his company car against his salary or something, and while he was in the storage unit with them noticed an old '60s Q car, say a Jaguar or something, which was fitted with gadgets. As he'd persuaded them to swap the DB5 from left to right hand drive, he convinced them, as they were already doing the work on it, to swap the gadgets over from the Jag to his car and they agreed as a bit of a pet project which they did in their downtime.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited February 27 Posts: 4,570
    Car in garage / who is destroyd is the one from Goldfinger or there whant let us believe that with same the number plate.. Symbol trust on old things. Sort of old dog new tricks with giving the car a update.

    Symbol of re-making or better say a symbol of making a new copy. This is why you see it destroyd in SF and how fast be buld up again in Spectre. Same is done twice with old Mi6 and new Mi6. And it don't stop with things, also count for humans and look further then Bond (Every new actor playing Bond is actualy new copy) , M, Q or Moneypenny.
  • 007ClassicBondFan007ClassicBondFan
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    Codename Theory ;)
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,406
    mtm wrote: »
    Yeah I think it's the same car. He won it in the Bahamas, but that was retroactively turned into part of his Le Chiffre mission, so MI6 took ownership of the car and shipped back to the UK to sit in storage. Bond on the other hand got friendly with the Q Branch fellas looking after it and worked out a plan where it could become his company car against his salary or something, and while he was in the storage unit with them noticed an old '60s Q car, say a Jaguar or something, which was fitted with gadgets. As he'd persuaded them to swap the DB5 from left to right hand drive, he convinced them, as they were already doing the work on it, to swap the gadgets over from the Jag to his car and they agreed as a bit of a pet project which they did in their downtime.

    I'd add to it: Bond paid with the money he won at the poker game in the Bahamas.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Yeah nice :D
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    It isn't the car he won from Dimitrios, as that one had left-hand drive. Hard to imagine that Q branch had not only installed "the usual refinements", but also converted it to RHD, especially when Bond had formerly used it in countries that drive on the correct right side of the road (but then, the whole concept of having a DB5 as a staff car is questionable, so everything goes). It also isn't the car from the Brosnan movies, even if one imagined that Craig's Bond experienced the Brosnan missions between his rookie days (CR/QOS) and (sort of) early retirement in SF. The Brosnan car had registration BMT214A, while the SF and NTTD Aston was back to the original BMT216A from GF and TB. I guess I'll just side with @DarthDimi's assessment of "screw it, continuity only matters when we say so."
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