EoN sells up - Amazon MGM to produce 007 going forwards

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Barbara Broccoli spurned Chris Nolan as director for fear of him having too much control ie Final Cut etc. sounds like she had lost the plot so best to get fresh blood involved .

    And if Cubby had given final cut away to the latest fashionable director rather than trust his experienced instinct..?
  • Posts: 2,396
    I think the only Bond director from the Broccoli/Saltzmen era who was allowed final cut was Peter Hunt, and that was because he went behind their backs and to UA to get them to back off when they tried to trim the movie. A UA executive saw a print of OHMSS and told both Cubby and Harry to leave the film as is. I’d say that was a pretty good call in retrospect. Now a Nolan Bond film? That might be a different story…
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited March 1 Posts: 640
    I now know what Bill Koenig talks about when he refers to the friends of eon.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited March 1 Posts: 8,377
    I now know what Bill Koenig talks about when he refers to the friends of eon.

    Why? Because we agree with some of Eon’s decisions? You think we have no criticism to give?
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    It seems like it doesn't it? I know, crazy. But not just that, shooting down everyone who might have criticism as well, that's not very nice.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Nobody is stopping you from shooting down my criticisms or praises. That’s what’s fun about this place, is everyone having a different point of view. Some think Eon kicked poor Pierce to the curb with glee like a bad DEATH WISH sequel. I think they just realized they wanted to have a clean slate and Brosnan didn’t fit in with that.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
    edited March 1 Posts: 640
    Nobody is stopping you from shooting down my criticisms or praises. That’s what’s fun about this place, is everyone having a different point of view. Some think Eon kicked poor Pierce to the curb with glee like a bad DEATH WISH sequel. I think they just realized they wanted to have a clean slate and Brosnan didn’t fit in with that.

    No you're wrong, Pierce himself said he was kicked to the curb. (You mean like that?) :>

    but in all seriousness, I've heard reports saying he was asking for too much money, but I think Pierce probably felt a little strung along and didn't like being kept out of the loop as to what all their plans were.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    As an actor Pierce certainly has a flair for the dramatic!
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
    edited March 1 Posts: 761
    Barbara and Michael could've been a bit more charitable with Brosnan. Did they have to be? Of course not, his contract was up, and business is business. But firing him over the phone was pretty low, especially for the actor who showed us that Bond, the ultimate Cold War hero, was still relevant in a post-Cold War world. 4 out of 5 of the lowest-grossing movies were made in the 80s (OP, AVTAK, TLD, LTK, with OHMSS also in there). If Bond's popularity was declining before the fall of the USSR, it was a good bet that he'd be seen as totally irrelevant after it.

    Despite all that, the series came back to the pop culture forefront in the 90s, and Brosnan's charm and popularity were a big part of that, even if the movies themselves were only seen as okay. But Brosnan was Cubby's choice and Craig was Barbara's, and she did the movies she wanted to with him, for better or worse. It's natural that she would praise Craig more than Brosnan, but given that Brosnan inherited a fading series and left it profitable while Craig inherited a series that was riding a box office high and left it in ruins, maybe she should've been a bit more professional with Brosnan, not to mention grateful.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    In terms of Pierce, I have always wondered how he allowed his contract on Remington Steele to interfere with becoming Bond. That one never squared.

    1. Contracts are made to be broken.
    2. Filming schedules are made to be flexible (They did this with Rami Malek)

    It seemed to me that Pierce gave up just a little too easily.

  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    It’s inaccurate to say Broz was fired because he never actually signed onto anything. He was a free agent after DAD, and they gave him a courtesy call to let him know they were gonna go a different direction. Broz can feel how he wants, but there were no ties.
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    Barbara Broccoli spurned Chris Nolan as director for fear of him having too much control ie Final Cut etc. sounds like she had lost the plot so best to get fresh blood involved .

    It's not about final cut. People need to think critically about reports like this one. Amazon has incentives to put stories in the papers that make the Broccolis look out-of-touch or incompetent.

    It's about the money. Nolan made about $100 million from "Oppenheimer". He is the biggest name-brand director in Hollywood. He got 15% first dollar gross (first dollar gross!) off of "Oppenheimer", in addition to everything else. Why on Earth if you were the Broccolis would you take that big of a chunk out of your own earnings when you could have another quality filmmaker make a hit movie for a significantly smaller amount? Similarly: if you are Nolan who could get any idea funded, why on Earth would you take gun-for-hire work?

    Now Amazon may make a different decision given that they need a HIT above all else, and they may decide whatever the cost is to them is worth it since they have no established track record. But then we get back into the micromanaging point — will Amazon have the necessary discipline to work with him? I would assume not.

  • Posts: 2,946
    Now that Amazon is in control, folks are talking about the possibility of a Felix Leiter spin-off series and so on, but I think what we really need is series about May, Bond’s treasured Scottish housekeeper. Done well, it could be far more interesting than any of the recent Bond films. I envision a first season story arc about May deep cleaning Bond’s flat—will she get it done by the time Bond returns from Jamaica? I have also mapped out another season's worth of other episodes, and if Amazon is willing I would be happy to offer my services as the showrunner. Take a look at some of these incredible stories:

    “For Your Hoover Only”: May vacuums Bond’s bedroom. Then she vacuums the hallway and breakfast nook. Then she vacuums Bond’s bedroom again because she missed a spot.

    “Bedspreads Are Forever”: May spends the morning making Bond’s bed. But has she chosen the right duvet cover?

    “Live and Let Dry”: May does Bond’s laundry but accidentally shrinks his favorite dress shirt! Can she get a replacement from Bond’s tailor before he notices?

    “You Only Buy Twice”: May goes shopping for Bond’s breakfast at Fortnum & Mason, but in a shocking twist, the store has run out of Norwegian Heather Honey! A crisis is averted when May orders it from Amazon instead (Jeff Bezos has a cameo as the friendly delivery man).

    “The Yank Who Irritated Me”: Tiffany Case has moved into Bond’s flat and is driving May crazy with her untidiness, crying jags, and spilled drinks. Can May find a way to get rid of Tiffany without hurting Bond’s feelings? And will she succeed in removing that whiskey stain from the sofa?

    “Chunderball”: A group of disguised Spectre agents arrives at Bond’s flat to kill him. May answers the door and says Bond is at the office but will be home soon if they care to wait. May serves everyone tea but the assassination plot is called off after the agents get food poisoning from the crumpet.

    “A View to a Stove”: May faces the greatest crisis of her career when she gets amnesia after a fall in the kitchen and no longer remembers how to make scrambled eggs! Will Bond be forced to replace her?

    “Dr Says No”: After a stay at Shrublands Bond wants to eat healthy food only. Will May be forced to junk her fried haggis dinner plans?

    “The Man with the Golden Offer”: Bond has gone missing in Japan and everyone believes he’s dead. May is keeping Bond’s flat going on her savings but she’s running out of money. Will she accept Sir James Molony’s offer to become his housekeeper instead?

    “From Scotland with Love”: May is contacted by man in Glen Orchy who claims to be her long-lost nephew’s brother’s son-in-law. Is he for real or an agent of Smersh, or--even worse--an imposter hoping to learn her secret recipe for Cock-a-Leekie Soup?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,694
    I just think Amazon needs to not overthink things and get on with it. You already know Campbell knows how to make a Bond film, and Arnold knows the Bond sound. Just hire a talented writer who respects the character, use the real state of the world as a backdrop and try to incorporate as much Fleming as you can. There's no reason we should be waiting any longer than summer 2027, Amazon have nothing to get in the way anymore.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,883
    Revelator wrote: »
    Now that Amazon is in control, folks are talking about the possibility of a Felix Leiter spin-off series and so on, but I think what we really need is series about May, Bond’s treasured Scottish housekeeper. Done well, it could be far more interesting than any of the recent Bond films. I envision a first season story arc about May deep cleaning Bond’s flat—will she get it done by the time Bond returns from Jamaica? I have also mapped out another season's worth of other episodes, and if Amazon is willing I would be happy to offer my services as the showrunner. Take a look at some of these incredible stories:

    “For Your Hoover Only”: May vacuums Bond’s bedroom. Then she vacuums the hallway and breakfast nook. Then she vacuums Bond’s bedroom again because she missed a spot.

    “Bedspreads Are Forever”: May spends the morning making Bond’s bed. But has she chosen the right duvet cover?

    “Live and Let Dry”: May does Bond’s laundry but accidentally shrinks his favorite dress shirt! Can she get a replacement from Bond’s tailor before he notices?

    “You Only Buy Twice”: May goes shopping for Bond’s breakfast at Fortnum & Mason, but in a shocking twist, the store has run out of Norwegian Heather Honey! A crisis is averted when May orders it from Amazon instead (Jeff Bezos has a cameo as the friendly delivery man).

    “The Yank Who Irritated Me”: Tiffany Case has moved into Bond’s flat and is driving May crazy with her untidiness, crying jags, and spilled drinks. Can May find a way to get rid of Tiffany without hurting Bond’s feelings? And will she succeed in removing that whiskey stain from the sofa?

    “Chunderball”: A group of disguised Spectre agents arrives at Bond’s flat to kill him. May answers the door and says Bond is at the office but will be home soon if they care to wait. May serves everyone tea but the assassination plot is called off after the agents get food poisoning from the crumpet.

    “A View to a Stove”: May faces the greatest crisis of her career when she gets amnesia after a fall in the kitchen and no longer remembers how to make scrambled eggs! Will Bond be forced to replace her?

    “Dr Says No”: After a stay at Shrublands Bond wants to eat healthy food only. Will May be forced to junk her fried haggis dinner plans?

    “The Man with the Golden Offer”: Bond has gone missing in Japan and everyone believes he’s dead. May is keeping Bond’s flat going on her savings but she’s running out of money. Will she accept Sir James Molony’s offer to become his housekeeper instead?

    “From Scotland with Love”: May is contacted by man in Glen Orchy who claims to be her long-lost nephew’s brother’s son-in-law. Is he for real or an agent of Smersh, or--even worse--an imposter hoping to learn her secret recipe for Cock-a-Leekie Soup?

    "The Droperty of a Marmalady": May falls over in the kitchen again, breaking a jar of Frank Cooper's Fine Cut. Will she have time to make a new batch before Bond gets home?

    ***SPOILERS AHEAD***

    Luckily, Bond kept a spare jar of Oxford in the cupboard, which concealed the housekeeper's clumsiness until she could buy a new pack of 2 online from Amazon.
  • Posts: 2,946
    Excellent, that's a natural fit for season two! And another opportunity for Bezos to make a return appearance.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Please.

    No David Arnold.

    He did five movies already, there’s other talent out there.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited March 1 Posts: 6,538
    TripAces wrote: »
    In terms of Pierce, I have always wondered how he allowed his contract on Remington Steele to interfere with becoming Bond. That one never squared.

    1. Contracts are made to be broken.
    2. Filming schedules are made to be flexible (They did this with Rami Malek)

    It seemed to me that Pierce gave up just a little too easily.

    Brosnan was caught between two powerhouses, NBC and Eon. Not an enviable place to be.

    It was a different time, when TV actors did not usually cross over to film and back. That was why Bond didn't happen for him in 1986. Cubby wanted Brosnan exclusively.

    In retrospect, 1995 was better for Brosnan anyway. Who's to say Brosnan wouldn't run into the same ultraviolent juggernaut of Lethal Weapon et al in 1989 and be done after two films, too?
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    With Brosnan, I do think TLD would have been a bigger hit in the US. The American media was pretty harsh against Dalton, dismissing him as a second choice to Brosnan. It was really unfair.

    Bond 16 probably wouldn’t have been like LTK, depending on whether Brosnan pushed for a harder Fleming inspired edge the way Dalton did, and who knows how that would have turned out?

    But if both movies did turn out to be bigger hits than Dalton’s, I don’t think we would have seen much conflict between Eon and MGM, or at the very least it would have been a much shorter hiatus. Dalton would have gotten his third film in 93 or 94 if John Calley were not so adamant to get rid of Dalton.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,260
    With Brosnan, I do think TLD would have been a bigger hit in the US. The American media was pretty harsh against Dalton, dismissing him as a second choice to Brosnan. It was really unfair.

    Bond 16 probably wouldn’t have been like LTK, depending on whether Brosnan pushed for a harder Fleming inspired edge the way Dalton did, and who knows how that would have turned out?

    I do like TLD as we have it with Dalton, but I tend to agree that Brosnan would have been a better choice for a successful film; yes he was a bit thin and massively-bouffanted at the time, but he was a charismatic lead and a bit more of the movie star type audiences would have clicked with. In terms of an LTK, they probably wouldn't have gone in that direction, but he did prove that he could do cold-blooded killer pretty effectively in 1987 with The Fourth Protocol. He could have easily had a 15 year run as Bond.
  • Posts: 2,097
    TripAces wrote: »
    In terms of Pierce, I have always wondered how he allowed his contract on Remington Steele to interfere with becoming Bond. That one never squared.

    1. Contracts are made to be broken.
    2. Filming schedules are made to be flexible (They did this with Rami Malek)

    It seemed to me that Pierce gave up just a little too easily.

    that would have cause WAY to many legal headaches with EON and NBC. That wouldn't have been worth it.
  • Posts: 2,097
    slide_99 wrote: »
    Barbara and Michael could've been a bit more charitable with Brosnan. Did they have to be? Of course not, his contract was up, and business is business. But firing him over the phone was pretty low, especially for the actor who showed us that Bond, the ultimate Cold War hero, was still relevant in a post-Cold War world. 4 out of 5 of the lowest-grossing movies were made in the 80s (OP, AVTAK, TLD, LTK, with OHMSS also in there). If Bond's popularity was declining before the fall of the USSR, it was a good bet that he'd be seen as totally irrelevant after it.

    Going into DAD and the months after DAD, EON probably thought they make one more with Brosnan. Thus getting Brosnan's hope up for a 5th movie. What EON should have done to be more professional to Pierce was to say maybe we will do a 5th one, no promises. This way they didn't get Pierce and the fans hopes up.
  • Posts: 2,097
    I just think Amazon needs to not overthink things and get on with it. You already know Campbell knows how to make a Bond film, and Arnold knows the Bond sound. Just hire a talented writer who respects the character, use the real state of the world as a backdrop and try to incorporate as much Fleming as you can. There's no reason we should be waiting any longer than summer 2027, Amazon have nothing to get in the way anymore.

    It is that simple. I sometimes think EON over thought things way too much when it came to the series.
  • Posts: 2,097
    Please.

    No David Arnold.

    He did five movies already, there’s other talent out there.

    I agree and disagree. Yes I would love to hear other composers score a Bond film, but if your Amazon you would want to play it safe and bring on a composer who knows and is a pro at the Bond sound.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Please.

    No David Arnold.

    He did five movies already, there’s other talent out there.

    I agree and disagree. Yes I would love to hear other composers score a Bond film, but if your Amazon you would want to play it safe and bring on a composer who knows and is a pro at the Bond sound.

    That is very possible. The thought of more Arnold doesn't really excite me, but I must admit he can create a Bondy sounding score in a way that something like LTK's score (which I've been listening to the new CD of) doesn't quite achieve.
    I do think that him accepting the job is less than certain though, he hasn't scored a film in years and it seems that's by choice.
  • Posts: 4,687
    It's down to a management philosophy. Do you try to re-invent the whole thing, be bold, be brave and risk a complete flop or go for a solid , "mid-table" movie, with the gained experience and bank balance to move forward and improve incrementally to movie number two (it's a White/Keys versus Bassey scenario)
  • Posts: 2,097
    mtm wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Please.

    No David Arnold.

    He did five movies already, there’s other talent out there.

    I agree and disagree. Yes I would love to hear other composers score a Bond film, but if your Amazon you would want to play it safe and bring on a composer who knows and is a pro at the Bond sound.

    That is very possible. The thought of more Arnold doesn't really excite me, but I must admit he can create a Bondy sounding score in a way that something like LTK's score (which I've been listening to the new CD of) doesn't quite achieve.
    I do think that him accepting the job is less than certain though, he hasn't scored a film in years and it seems that's by choice.

    I think Arnold would say yes in a heartbeat if asked. I don't think he was expecting to be done after QoS. Don't matter if he hasn't scored in years. Bond is a different animal which he probably love to comeback for.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 17,260
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Please.

    No David Arnold.

    He did five movies already, there’s other talent out there.

    I agree and disagree. Yes I would love to hear other composers score a Bond film, but if your Amazon you would want to play it safe and bring on a composer who knows and is a pro at the Bond sound.

    That is very possible. The thought of more Arnold doesn't really excite me, but I must admit he can create a Bondy sounding score in a way that something like LTK's score (which I've been listening to the new CD of) doesn't quite achieve.
    I do think that him accepting the job is less than certain though, he hasn't scored a film in years and it seems that's by choice.

    I think Arnold would say yes in a heartbeat if asked. I don't think he was expecting to be done after QoS. Don't matter if he hasn't scored in years. Bond is a different animal which he probably love to comeback for.

    None of us can know. He does clearly still have love for Bond as he's always still doing Bond projects here and there, but a new Bond movie may be exactly the thing he'd hate to do for all we know: not because it's Bond but because maybe he's been turned off the idea of doing big movies with all the committee decisions and being squeezed by big companies. Maybe he will, maybe he won't, we can't know.
    patb wrote: »
    It's down to a management philosophy. Do you try to re-invent the whole thing, be bold, be brave and risk a complete flop or go for a solid , "mid-table" movie, with the gained experience and bank balance to move forward and improve incrementally to movie number two (it's a White/Keys versus Bassey scenario)

    Yeah, my feeling is they'll go reasonably safe with the next one and give us a Force Awakens/GoldenEye; but who knows.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    mtm wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    Please.

    No David Arnold.

    He did five movies already, there’s other talent out there.

    I agree and disagree. Yes I would love to hear other composers score a Bond film, but if your Amazon you would want to play it safe and bring on a composer who knows and is a pro at the Bond sound.

    That is very possible. The thought of more Arnold doesn't really excite me, but I must admit he can create a Bondy sounding score in a way that something like LTK's score (which I've been listening to the new CD of) doesn't quite achieve.
    I do think that him accepting the job is less than certain though, he hasn't scored a film in years and it seems that's by choice.

    I think Arnold would say yes in a heartbeat if asked. I don't think he was expecting to be done after QoS. Don't matter if he hasn't scored in years. Bond is a different animal which he probably love to comeback for.

    None of us can know. He does clearly still have love for Bond as he's always still doing Bond projects here and there, but a new Bond movie may be exactly the thing he'd hate to do for all we know: not because it's Bond but because maybe he's been turned off the idea of doing big movies with all the committee decisions and being squeezed by big companies. Maybe he will, maybe he won't, we can't know.
    patb wrote: »
    It's down to a management philosophy. Do you try to re-invent the whole thing, be bold, be brave and risk a complete flop or go for a solid , "mid-table" movie, with the gained experience and bank balance to move forward and improve incrementally to movie number two (it's a White/Keys versus Bassey scenario)

    Yeah, my feeling is they'll go reasonably safe with the next one and give us a Force Awakens/GoldenEye; but who knows.

    I think the difference is that with TFA it was coming a decade after the prequels which still had a reputation of being major let downs all across the board, and Disney wanted to evoke what worked before those. That’s not really the case with Craig because aside from maybe QOS and SP, his run was generally well received and made a lot of money.

    Maybe from the perspective of fandom that trying to evoke the Brosnan films would be playing it safe, but from Amazon’s point of view the highest grossing Bond films are all Craig’s, and it wouldn’t surprise me if they think it’s safer to just do a movie more in tone with CR than with GE.
  • DaltonforyouDaltonforyou The Daltonator
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    It will be interesting to see how much an algorithm is employed when making the next film.
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