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  • FitzochrisFitzochris
    Posts: 102
    I'm 32 years old and annoyed at the gunbarrel being moved. What's age got to do with it?
  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,709
    I´m 98 and I´m annoyed because I won´t live enough to see another proper bunbarrel.


    ...Not.


    Although I´m still over 30 and annoyed.
  • TopGearJB007TopGearJB007
    Posts: 624
    @Univex What's a bunbarrel? :))

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  • Gareth00789Gareth00789
    edited October 2012 Posts: 655
    well i answered to sandy to say thanks, then i just said about what Lewis said on twiiter. Is that a Fu**** crime. getting a bit annoyed with some on here now.

    im 23, by the way.
  • hisqoshisqos
    Posts: 80
    Whining over something that lasts about 5 - 10 seconds out of a 2+ hour film makes me wonder if your partners aren't faking it, because your expending so much energy flooding this and other boards. Perhaps it's time to act your age and not your shoe size .
  • Gareth00789Gareth00789
    edited October 2012 Posts: 655
    hisqos wrote:
    Whining over something that lasts about 5 - 10 seconds out of a 2+ hour film makes me wonder if your partners aren't faking it, because your expending so much energy flooding this and other boards. Perhaps it's time to act your age and not your shoe size .

    Its about time you mind your own business. And its not about how long the gun barrel is. Its the prinsable of it been moved. And im not flooding the boards. If it wasnt for me, we wouldnt have an anser about the gun barrels position.

  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Alright this is getting out of hand.
    The Gunbarrel is at the End of Skyfall

    Nuff Said!

    Sorry it sucks but let's not start an argument and tread old ground, let's move on to something new...
  • hisqoshisqos
    Posts: 80
    I rest my case.
  • KlausHergesheimerKlausHergesheimer
    edited October 2012 Posts: 152
    I'm really not as disappointed about the gunbarrel as I am about
    the "F word" being dropped in a Bond movie.
  • BritishChap007BritishChap007
    Posts: 555
    KlausHergesheimer wrote:
    I'm really not as disappointed about the gunbarrel as I am about
    the "F word" being dropped in a Bond movie.

    Because its no longer kid friendly??
  • xolanixolani
    Posts: 130
    KlausHergesheimer wrote:
    I'm really not as disappointed about the gunbarrel as I am about
    the "F word" being dropped in a Bond movie.

    Why?????? What is so bad about the word fuck?
  • UnivexUnivex
    Posts: 6,709
    TopGearJB007 wrote:
    @Univex What's a bunbarrel? :))

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    Yep, that´s it, a barrel of bun ;)

    Damn keygord :)
  • KlausHergesheimerKlausHergesheimer
    Posts: 152
    xolani wrote:
    KlausHergesheimer wrote:
    I'm really not as disappointed about the gunbarrel as I am about
    the "F word" being dropped in a Bond movie.

    Why?????? What is so bad about the word f***?

    In European culture, probably nothing really, but over here in America that word is very offensive and is not to be taken lightly. It's considered to be very bad and very adult. Many people get very offended by it and I can definitely see some problems with it being in a family-friendly franchise and people taking their kids to see it and getting upset it's in there. In fact, I kind of feel shaky taking my parents to see it with me because of that. It's just a word that doesn't belong in a Bond movie.
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    edited October 2012 Posts: 5,745
    KlausHergesheimer wrote:
    xolani wrote:
    KlausHergesheimer wrote:
    I'm really not as disappointed about the gunbarrel as I am about
    the "F word" being dropped in a Bond movie.

    Why?????? What is so bad about the word f***?

    In European culture, probably nothing really, but over here in America that word is very offensive and is not to be taken lightly. It's considered to be very bad and very adult. Many people get very offended by it and I can definitely see some problems with it being in a family-friendly franchise and people taking their kids to see it and getting upset it's in there. In fact, I kind of feel shaky taking my parents to see it with me because of that. It's just a word that doesn't belong in a Bond movie.

    Well it is a British movie.. so they can do whatever they want with it and I, an American, will be fine with it.
  • TopGearJB007TopGearJB007
    edited October 2012 Posts: 624
    This thread in a nutshell:
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  • robboadamrobboadam
    Posts: 224
    KlausHergesheimer wrote:
    xolani wrote:
    KlausHergesheimer wrote:
    I'm really not as disappointed about the gunbarrel as I am about
    the "F word" being dropped in a Bond movie.

    Why?????? What is so bad about the word f***?

    In European culture, probably nothing really, but over here in America that word is very offensive and is not to be taken lightly. It's considered to be very bad and very adult. Many people get very offended by it and I can definitely see some problems with it being in a family-friendly franchise and people taking their kids to see it and getting upset it's in there. In fact, I kind of feel shaky taking my parents to see it with me because of that. It's just a word that doesn't belong in a Bond movie.

    But I'm guessing a film about an assassin murdering people, having sex irresponsibly and being tortured is family-friendly then? Please. It's a 12A (PG-13) movie. You, and your parents, know what to expect.
  • sirseanisbondsirseanisbond
    Posts: 2,189
    Murdock wrote:
    Alright this is getting out of hand.
    The Gunbarrel is at the End of Skyfall

    Nuff Said!

    Sorry it sucks but let's not start an argument and tread old ground, let's move on to something new...

    Wait, is this really true? What the fuck? Really? Come on, they can't expect to be making a 'classic' Bond film if this is true. PLEASE someone tell me this is wrong!!!
  • KlausHergesheimerKlausHergesheimer
    edited October 2012 Posts: 152
    robboadam wrote:
    KlausHergesheimer wrote:
    xolani wrote:
    KlausHergesheimer wrote:
    I'm really not as disappointed about the gunbarrel as I am about
    the "F word" being dropped in a Bond movie.

    Why?????? What is so bad about the word f***?

    In European culture, probably nothing really, but over here in America that word is very offensive and is not to be taken lightly. It's considered to be very bad and very adult. Many people get very offended by it and I can definitely see some problems with it being in a family-friendly franchise and people taking their kids to see it and getting upset it's in there. In fact, I kind of feel shaky taking my parents to see it with me because of that. It's just a word that doesn't belong in a Bond movie.

    But I'm guessing a film about an assassin murdering people, having sex irresponsibly and being tortured is family-friendly then? Please. It's a 12A (PG-13) movie. You, and your parents, know what to expect.

    I don't have a problem with it and and I don't think my parents would either, but it's just something that's going to come very unexpected for a lot of people and turn them off to the franchise. That's all I'm worried about really.

    Over there, I'm sure that kind of language is commonplace in 12A films, but over here that language is reserved for R-rated films, which is why it might shock some people.
  • TheManwiththeWaltherTheManwiththeWalther
    edited October 2012 Posts: 10
    KlausHergesheimer wrote:
    xolani wrote:
    KlausHergesheimer wrote:
    I'm really not as disappointed about the gunbarrel as I am about
    the "F word" being dropped in a Bond movie.

    Why?????? What is so bad about the word f***?

    In European culture, probably nothing really, but over here in America that word is very offensive and is not to be taken lightly. It's considered to be very bad and very adult. Many people get very offended by it and I can definitely see some problems with it being in a family-friendly franchise and people taking their kids to see it and getting upset it's in there. In fact, I kind of feel shaky taking my parents to see it with me because of that. It's just a word that doesn't belong in a Bond movie.

    I don't think your evaluation of the Bond franchise or American culture is at all valid. Bond is far from family friendly. You are talking a film series involving the violent exploits of an alcoholic, womanizing assassin who is rather cold-hearted. Let's be honest, the series sells itself based on sex and violence. Casino Royale featured a torture scene progressing towards genital mutilation. The F word is featured regularly in the Bond novels. The character and his world has never meant to be family friendly. It is escapist fantasy for teens and adults.

    Moreover, I don't think you are painting an accurate of American culture. Sure, there are some segments of America like the Bible Belt that find such things highly inappropriate and offensive, but they do not realistic make up that large of a proportion of the American people anymore. The large majority of Americans are cosmopolitan, urbanites who are not much different from Europeans in terms of cultural sensibilities.

    Finally, like any other word, the offensiveness of the F word comes from context. I don't think it's fair to think it has no place in a Bond film without knowing how and why it is used. Skyfall got the same rating as other Bond films, PG-13, for a reason. That rating was decided upon by an American panel thinking exclusively of the sensibilities of the American public. Obviously, they didn't feel its use was inappropriately offensive.
  • tqbtqb
    Posts: 1,022
    What do Europeans actually think of us Americans? :O
  • TheManwiththeWaltherTheManwiththeWalther
    Posts: 10
    tqb wrote:
    What do Europeans actually think of us Americans? :O

    I don't know, I'm a Canadian, and while we have some differences in our political culture, our popular culture and sensibilities regarding sex and violence in film and tv is pretty much identical considering we don't have a film or tv industry of our own really. All we watch is American stuff. Hell, our rating system is even more conservative. PG-13 movies in the US are 14A here. So I think I can speak relatively confidently about North American culture as a whole.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    Posts: 3,497
    Teh F word?

    Yes, I think I won't watch this film. I'm 28, but I never say those kind of words. I'm mormon you see.

    :-S :-w
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    Posts: 3,497
    sirseanisbond wrote:
    Murdock wrote:
    Alright this is getting out of hand.
    The Gunbarrel is at the End of Skyfall

    Nuff Said!

    Sorry it sucks but let's not start an argument and tread old ground, let's move on to something new...

    Wait, is this really true? What the fuck? Really? Come on, they can't expect to be making a 'classic' Bond film if this is true. PLEASE someone tell me this is wrong!!!

    O dear. I can already see the reviews:

    "0/10. Great Bondmovie, but no GB means: I've lost faith in the produces forever. They broke our hearts. Nobody will ever see Skyflop again".

  • Gareth00789Gareth00789
    Posts: 655
    I came on here for a reason, to chat.
    TopGearJB007 wrote:
    This thread in a nutshell:
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    Haaa love it
  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
    Posts: 4,409
    If the sequence works better at the end of the movie, then that's where it works better. However, it is tradition to place the scene at the beginning. Martin Campbell moving the scene in CR had an artistic purpose that really drove forward not only drove the character development in the film but also served a purpose as a piece of iconography. Forster has little to no excuse for QOS if you ask me, it dosent particularly add anything by placing it at the end. I think it probably had something to do with the final cut of QOS ending on such a down note with Bond throwing Vesper's necklace into the snow, it was slightly too sombre an ending for a Bond movie and the GB just gave it more punch, so in many ways I understand why it happened. The only time we can truly judge why Mendes put it at the end is once we're seen the movie. Till then any discussion be only prove circular in debate.
  • andrewaboultonandrewaboulton
    Posts: 4
    I dont really think the Bond producers get it right a hell of the lot of the time. The list of bad choices goes on and on after Cubby departed. Moonraker aside that is. The over use of M. Characters such as Jinx - "the equal of Bond". They have had more misfires than classics. Dropping the gunbarrel to me shows totally that they are either out of touch with their audience or just dont get 'it'. In the 50th anniversary year, and the reasoning for its not being in the last two and all that "Bond isnt Bond yet" cobblers, it SHOULD be where it belongs. "Bond with a capital B". Not quite. It may be a brilliant film but without the true start to a Bond film its not quite a Bond film to me.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
    edited October 2012 Posts: 3,497
    andrewaboulton wrote:
    I dont really think the Bond producers get it right a hell of the lot of the time. The list of bad choices goes on and on after Cubby departed. Moonraker aside that is. The over use of M. Characters such as Jinx - "the equal of Bond". They have had more misfires than classics. Dropping the gunbarrel to me shows totally that they are either out of touch with their audience or just dont get 'it'. In the 50th anniversary year, and the reasoning for its not being in the last two and all that "Bond isnt Bond yet" cobblers, it SHOULD be where it belongs. "Bond with a capital B". Not quite. It may be a brilliant film but without the true start to a Bond film its not quite a Bond film to me.

    Just for one small addition?

    It has Bond, exotic locations, hot chicks, the AM, M...

    Please.
  • BounineBounine
    edited October 2012 Posts: 2,599
    I've always been one for shaking things up a bit and with CR and QOS I could understand why the gun barrel was where it was but for Skyfall I just don't see any real purpose for it being at the end. You'd think it would have been back at the beginning of what is supposed to be a "classic" Bond film. That together with the return of the one liners (I like Bond in CR, there was humour but not action scene one liners) is what will bother me the most about this film I think. Well, the latter definitely more but the gun barrel should be back at the beginning. Maybe Mendes thought that having the gunbarrel at the start diminished the suspense and anticipation the general audience might be feeling upon the opening of the film although for me as a Bond fan it increases these feelings. Maybe because by the end of the film we're back to classic Bond again with Bond back on form and possibly a new M that the gunbarrel at the end sets us up for Bond 24. The trilogy of Bond finding himself has finished and now it'll be back to business which is what I actually thought was the case at the end of QOS and why we had the gunbarrel at the end of this film.

    I hope someone asks Mendes why he chose to put the gunbarrel at the end.

  • andrewaboultonandrewaboulton
    Posts: 4
    It isnt a small addition. Never Say Never Again had most of the above. Its a big deal. Its more a part of the tradition than the Aston or vodka Martinis. As a kid watching those white dots go across the screen and either Sean, Roger etc walk into frame was what made Bond special and set it apart from other action films. QOS began like any other film. This whole "Bond not being Bond yet" was ok in CR but at the end he makes a point of announcing that he is. Obviously QOS you could say that as it bookended CR it made sense not to have the traditional start. I dont agree with that though and anyway from various interviews with various people the Bond in SF is a Bond with years of missions behind him. They make use of the image in teasers etc so KNOW its relevance. There is even a shot of it being filmed in the Bond On Set book and it is the ONLY photo not in story order. They know its importance and they still go against what the public wants which goes against Cubbys way of thinking entirely. Im sure i will love SF but itll always have that something missing to me.
  • BounineBounine
    edited October 2012 Posts: 2,599
    Yes, I largely agree with you. It should be back at the beginning. I can forgive QOS for having it at the end for reasons previously stated. Yes, I forgot, Dench makes reference to the fact that Bond has 22 missions behind him. Hmm, yes, he has already become Bond.

    Do you think that they just put it at the end for the press screening to gage the reaction from the fans when we heard about it? Maybe they've put it back at the beginning for general release? Wishful thinking? Most likely. :)

    I was certain Mendes would put it back at the beginning. Very strange why it isn't there where it belongs.
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