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Is Pierce Brosnan really all that bad ??

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  • GetafixGetafix
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    Dalton was Bond when I first saw
    Bond in the cinema. I'm sure it played a part in my liking him so much. TLD seemed the perfect Bond movie in many respects. I still think it stands up pretty well although I now acknowledge that it flags in the second half and the villains (particularly Joe Don) are a bit limp. Koskov is actually okay - just wish he'd played it a bit straighter.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Fair comment. With regards to the pros....score is excellent, Necros is is a good henchman, the Aston is back and the pre - title sequence is great. The Fleming inspired script is also gripping.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    TLD has really gone way down in my recent viewing. While it's heart is in the right place, It's ultimately ruined by it's stupid lame villains and Kara who is as dim as Mary Goodnight. Dalton isn't even as good. In fact he comes off way more nervous in TLD than Pierce in GoldenEye.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    I don't get the Dalton nerves part when I watch it...He seems cold as ice and focused to me.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    He's cold in the scenes with Puskin, but the lighter bits come off as forced and makes him look nervous.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    I think that's his style rather than nerves personally.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Not sure I detect the Dalton nerves. I think TLD and LTK are both decent. Not absolute classics but top half of the table IMO
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    LTK is pretty good, but I think TLD is too silly. It has some good moments, only to be ruined by something dumb. The Aston Martin chase was great only to be ruined by that stupid cello sled scene.
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    Q: is Pierce really all that bad?

    no, it was everything else around him in his later films that failed him.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    The issues with the script is that it was written 'middle of the road' for Brosnan. It wasn't tailored enough for Dalton.....who stepped in at the last minute. The specialist script happened with LTK.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Murdock wrote: »
    I think TLD is too silly.
    WHAT??
    It is EEENVINSEEBULL!!!
    :))
  • M16_CartM16_Cart Craig fanboy?
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    Brosnan was a good Bond. The management and writers at Eon were the main problem. They gave him weak scripts, which he made the most out of.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    M16_Cart wrote: »
    Brosnan was a good Bond. The management and writers at Eon were the main problem. They gave him weak scripts, which he made the most out of.
    Give Craig the same & see how he'd fare.
    Yeah, I know, he'd say fook off & leave the set....

    :))
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Out of the 6 Bond actors so far, the only one who can elevate a mediocre script is Roger Moore. Give the guy even the most juvenile one-liner, and he will turn it into gold. Can you imagine MR, TSWLM, or even OP without Sir Rog? Connery, Dalton and Craig would have been awful in such movies, but Moore just makes some of his magic and the whole thing just becomes hugely entertaining.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Well said! So true.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I agree completely. Moore proved that time and time again. Very underrated actor in my view.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Murdock wrote: »
    He's cold in the scenes with Puskin, but the lighter bits come off as forced and makes him look nervous.

    Largely I agree, although I think for the most part his performance in TLD is better.
    Overall he's good in the film but nerves do sometimes seem to be an issue. For me this is most obvious in the Moneypenny scenes - probably the least convincing in the series IMO.

    Rog could pull off the line "Moneypenny be a dear" (he has a similar line at the races in AVTAK). Dalton could not. It just doesn't sound right coming from him.

    "Why James, she's just your type"
    "Wrong again Moneypenny...you are"

    Yuck
    :-&
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Rog could pull off the line "Moneypenny be a dear" (he has a similar line at the races in AVTAK). Dalton could not. It just doesn't sound right coming from him.

    That's true, but Bliss was no Maxwell, and that could have affected the interplay between them. Dalton was uncomfortable with the lighter fare no doubt. I always got the impression he couldn't give a toss about the one liners and just wanted to get on with scowling and being a bad 'a'.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    DaltonCraig007 wrote: »
    Out of the 6 Bond actors so far, the only one who can elevate a mediocre script is Roger Moore. Give the guy even the most juvenile one-liner, and he will turn it into gold. Can you imagine MR, TSWLM, or even OP without Sir Rog? Connery, Dalton and Craig would have been awful in such movies, but Moore just makes some of his magic and the whole thing just becomes hugely entertaining.

    You make a fair point. Agreed. Some how RM get's away with it.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    bondjames wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Rog could pull off the line "Moneypenny be a dear" (he has a similar line at the races in AVTAK). Dalton could not. It just doesn't sound right coming from him.

    That's true, but Bliss was no Maxwell, and that could have affected the interplay between them. Dalton was uncomfortable with the lighter fare no doubt. I always got the impression he couldn't give a toss about the one liners and just wanted to get on with scowling and being a bad 'a'.

    It's fairly minor though as its just one short scene in the film.


  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Timothy played Flemings Bond, no messing around.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    DaltonCraig007 wrote: »
    Out of the 6 Bond actors so far, the only one who can elevate a mediocre script is Roger Moore. Give the guy even the most juvenile one-liner, and he will turn it into gold. Can you imagine MR, TSWLM, or even OP without Sir Rog? Connery, Dalton and Craig would have been awful in such movies, but Moore just makes some of his magic and the whole thing just becomes hugely entertaining.

    You make a fair point. Agreed. Some how RM get's away with it.

    It's no mystery. Moore is a talented and perhaps more importantly a skilled screen actor. He's RADA trained (everyone always seems to forget that) and went through the last years of the old Hollywood star making system. He actually knows how to deliver a line, stand in front of a camera and do drama and comedy. I'm not remotely saying he is a brilliant actor in the wider sense, but he knows his craft from a technical perspective, understands his own strengths and weaknesses, and puts it all together on screen for maximum impact. His big joke is that he can't act and he's a fraud etc. but he's anything but. He's a hard working professional who makes it look effortless.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Moore is no Dicaprio, Hardy or Hopkins in terms of acting brilliance, but the latter 3 are no Moore in terms of star power and sheer magnetic presence. Moore (and Connery) never needed to bulk up for a role, he never changed his accent, yet he achieved fame and stardom to such extent that Dicaprio could only dream of. Connery and Moore are, as far as I've seen since I've been a Bond fan, the only 2 actors I have never seen anyone say 'I hate them'. Some may not find them great actors, but I have never seen a living soul not have some kind of admiration for Sean's and Roger's sheer charisma, charm and magnetic presence.
  • MisterDanDMisterDanD London
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    Always was a huge fan of Roger and his expression and one liners. I thought Pierce was good with the one liners, a little more understated but had good one lines. In TWINE his Christmas quip and Perfectly rounded figure was ace. he was a good bond. It is very hard to judge each bond against the other, different eras and technology. We can laugh at some of the gadgets in the very early films now, most of our cars have Sat Nav and electric this and that. its like comparing Tyson to Ali.. you can't.
  • ChiefTannerChiefTanner Wilmington, DE, USA
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    Anyone see, the November Man?
    I would never say Brosnan played a "bond" in they flick as the character is much different. That said, I thought he was phenomenal in the role on top of the fact that the story was great and thrilling. He was ruthless in it. That shows he is capable of that kind of Bond.

    I grew up in Brosnan Bond so he's got a spot in my heart. I agree that creative choices were made that were very 90s and tried to bridge the gap between Moore and Dalton.

    His films and Bond has its place in the pantheon.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    DaltonCraig007 wrote: »
    Moore is no Dicaprio, Hardy or Hopkins in terms of acting brilliance, but the latter 3 are no Moore in terms of star power and sheer magnetic presence. Moore (and Connery) never needed to bulk up for a role, he never changed his accent, yet he achieved fame and stardom to such extent that Dicaprio could only dream of. Connery and Moore are, as far as I've seen since I've been a Bond fan, the only 2 actors I have never seen anyone say 'I hate them'. Some may not find them great actors, but I have never seen a living soul not have some kind of admiration for Sean's and Roger's sheer charisma, charm and magnetic presence.

    I think Anthony Hopkins arguably has similar on screen presence to Sean and Rog, although a very different type of actor.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited July 2015 Posts: 15,718
    @Getafix I agree but look at 'Silence of the Lambs' for instance. Hopkins has astonishing screen presence in that film, but it's all down to his huge acting talent. Hopkins isn't Lecter naturally, he becomes Lecter through intense work preparation. Moore and Connery act like themselves in any film they appear in, and the beauty of it is, it simply works! Any other actor in 'Red October' playing a russian submarine commander speaking with an american accent would be ridiculed. But with Connery, a lot of people think that is one of his best roles, despite keeping his scottish accent.
  • ThomasCrown76ThomasCrown76 Augusta, ks
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    And Moore in the cannonball run...and that movie with Michael Caine and Sally Kirkland, and that one in South Africa.
  • M16_CartM16_Cart Craig fanboy?
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    Timothy played Flemings Bond, no messing around.

    Without a doubt. What did you think of Brosnan's The World Is Not Enough performance. He kind of took the Dalton approach for that one.
  • ThighsOfXeniaThighsOfXenia
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    Brosnan's performances were a bit too self-conscious, but other than that I really like him as Bond (TWINE aside, but I blame primarily the script + director for that one).
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