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I suggest you do some reading of a dictionary to see what "clamoring" means. Was anyone CLAMORING for this before it was raised as an issue by powerplaying Tories? Did anyone wake up in the morning thinking, "WOW, the EU is the reason my life is a misery, I think we should leave it!"
Did YOU?
I'd wager most UKers didn't even know they were in an EU until the referendum.
This doesn't warrant the courtesy of a reply. The only reason I do so is to point out that it only reinforces the point I made about your earlier post.
If I can offer five quids worth of free advice it is this. Please do not embarrass yourself further on subjects which are so obviously beyond your grasp.
Did you think about leaving the EU every day? What was on your wishlist? Loss of employee protections? Loss of revenue? fewer qualified doctors? Collapsed pound?
Not sure why I'd expect anything of value from a Bond forum fan. Even the PM can't muster anything more meaningful than "Brexit means Brexit".
Meanwhile, the government is determined to conduct negotiations in secret, because any actual open discussion would reveal that it's a pointless, expensive exercise and that nobody has any clue what to do or what's going to happen.
Yawn
I have a theory about the recent US election. I believe that Trump and Obama were in cahoots to rid American politics of the Clintons. The US voters were so stupid that they did not realise what was going on - indeed the vast majority are not even aware that they live in the USA.
Sound ridiculous? No more so than your appraisal of Brexit.
Please expand Gustav as I am interested to hear what you forecast - I won't agree of course but I value your opinion nonetheless as at least you can speak on the subject intelligently.
With a government that listens to and is accountable to its populace that elected them?
Somehow I suspect your views on this matter are quite different from mine.
A certain Mr Trump was claiming to do, if his election didn't go his way. :D
The only point I made that you've refuted is that you were oblivious to the effects of living in the EU prior to BoJo making it a talking point, or to Farage making it a talking point because he's a grotesque private school racist. I stand corrected and apologise.
As for the rest, it's just more vague "I know better than you do but can't be bothered explaining any of it!" which we see all to commonly with the populist right.
Please tell me your reasons for wanting to leave the EU. And how it's shaping up so far.
I wonder if Brexiteers or Trump voters will ever admit to themselves that they've been conned, or that they're the playthings of powerful idiots. You can do it privately if you like.
I wonder when the leftist will admit they have lost their elections/referendums and stop chanting that well worn 'everyone is racist/morons/unable to understand what they are voting for' whenever those people do not vote they way said leftists say they should vote?
Me conned? I don't think so. You people have lost your elections/referendums you should get over it. As I've already said your grasp on the subject of Brexit is as shaky as mine on the recent political developments in the USA. Best always to stick to what you know.
Ooowh absolutely. Perhaps it's also because we have very different salaries :-). Perhaps you are one of the richer forummembers in here. If people see my bank account, they surely would wonder why I'm not living on the streets yet :-).
But the rest is baloney. What will the UK be able to do outside the EU that it can't already do? Wear down workers' rights even further? Negotiate less lucrative trade deals with other nations individually? Lose freedom of movement? Are you a farmer? Is the Common Agricultural Policy particularly oppressive?
I am more than US$140,000 in debt and climbing everyday... with no assets to show for it.
Finger crossed you are in a worse position... making me NOT the loser of the boards!
One thing we can be sure of - once we exit the EU and reach Brexit-land, a majority of the British electorate will be unhappy with where they find themsevles. And a significant chunk of the 51.8% who voted to leave will be seriously disappointed.
As @TigerTiger said, Brexit is a pointless waste of time. At best we will be no worse off than we were before.
Angela Merkel's looking into her crystal ball right now.
*sigh*
Oops, I seem to have hit the ban button.
>:)
Your opening line is again a demonstration of how little you know on this subject. I have already suggested you read up on the matter so am not going to provide further explanation until you can present something which has at least some bearing on the reality of the situation.
I am unsure of the relevance of this nugget of information to this debate. Who are you blaming for your predicament, Trump? Brexit? The 'populists'?
Tripe. Had the EU not morphed (deliberately I may add) from its roots as a trading block into the would be Federal 'United States of Europe' then we wouldn't be having this conversation. That said there is indeed a distinct possibility that we will be no better off - financially that is. I also agree there will be disappointment but such is life. You must know that whomever or whatever you vote for under any circumstances you will not be completely satisfied.
Discussions around the Y2K bug. :D Basically " We're all doomed" .... Stock up
On canned goods, build a secure basement, " Protect and Survive"
The UK will become a wasteland, as the EU becomes a Utopia ! :))
:))
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You used the word brainwashed. I was just observing that most of what the British press 'reports' about the EU is and has been for years total nonsense.
Anyway, given that 90% of the British press has been printing a tidal wave of misinformation about the EU for decades, it's pretty incredible that 48.2% of the electorate still voted to stay in.
Given that in any non general election vote a significant number of people are just looking to give the government of the day a good kicking, irrespective of the policies on offer, the democratic mandate for Brexit is practically non existent.
Add in the fact that we know a majority of young voters were pro remain but couldn't be bothered to vote, and the morality of leaving on such a waver thin 'majority' is frankly scandalous.
Cameron will go down in history as one of those well intentioned but useless appeasers like Chamberlain.
Brexit is a pointless distraction from what we should be doing. It's like picking a fight with your own team instead of playing the opposition. Utterly utterly self defeating and idiotic to the core.
No doubt the fence-sitting position on Brexit. I like it!
Brexit is the single biggest opportunity this country has had to prosper in decades. How can we grow as both an economy and a nation when we are shackled at the wrists and ankles by the EU? If you are intimating that we can somehow negotiate with the EU while remaining a member then your answer has already been given by Cameron.
Lastly I notice you avoided this one so I'll repeat myself.
May I ask if you actively campaigned during the referendum? Did you get out and about to speak to people about their reasons for wishing to leave or remain in the EU? Explain fully please the correlation between your campaigning experience and your notion that the people were somehow brainwashed as personally I'd be most interested to read it.
Fence-sitting?