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  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    edited October 2017 Posts: 3,126
    So it will be Annapurna and MGM releasing Bond 25?
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,282
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Maybe @PanchitoPistoles should be renamed @TheOracle? Only time will tell...

    Not yet. I'm still giving him a hard time for no Radiohead in SP.

    That was never going to happen.
  • Matt007Matt007
    edited October 2017 Posts: 1,314
    Am I the only one who finds the shatterhand storyline the weakest part of the Blofeld Trilogy. Just use some weed killer and the garden of Death is finished

    YOLT is the point at which Fleming starts to feel less like Fleming and more like Eon IMO
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    So it will be Annapurna and MGM releasing Bond 25?
    As of right now, no.
  • 007Blofeld007Blofeld In the freedom of the West.
    Posts: 3,126
    I remember seeing someone say Megan Ellison of Annapurna retweet a post when Daniel announced he was coming back it all makes sense now
  • GumboldGumbold Atlantis
    Posts: 118
    ->MGM strikes a joint venture with Annapurna for theatrical distribution in the US, a distribution announcement for B25 may be a waiting game

    What does this mean exactly?
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    Gumbold wrote: »
    ->MGM strikes a joint venture with Annapurna for theatrical distribution in the US, a distribution announcement for B25 may be a waiting game

    What does this mean exactly?
    Essentially, MGM will partner with Annapurna Pictures to distribute some of their American releases, and with this new deal, there's a slight possibility of Annapurna replacing Sony as co-distributor for B25.
  • GumboldGumbold Atlantis
    Posts: 118
    jake24 wrote: »
    Gumbold wrote: »
    ->MGM strikes a joint venture with Annapurna for theatrical distribution in the US, a distribution announcement for B25 may be a waiting game

    What does this mean exactly?
    Essentially, MGM will partner with Annapurna Pictures to distribute some of their American releases, and with this new deal, there's a slight possibility of Annapurna replacing Sony as co-distributor for B25.

    Will this have any negative impact? Do we have to wait longer for the next Bond movie? Anything like that?
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    Posts: 10,591
    Gumbold wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    Gumbold wrote: »
    ->MGM strikes a joint venture with Annapurna for theatrical distribution in the US, a distribution announcement for B25 may be a waiting game

    What does this mean exactly?
    Essentially, MGM will partner with Annapurna Pictures to distribute some of their American releases, and with this new deal, there's a slight possibility of Annapurna replacing Sony as co-distributor for B25.

    Will this have any negative impact? Do we have to wait longer for the next Bond movie? Anything like that?
    Nope. If anything, it's good thing.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    Posts: 1,003
    Basically the faster they get a distributor the faster we get the production rolling. Wouldn’t be surprised if the movie was released early spring 2019 vs winter.

    Also it’s obvious Craig wanted the classic Connery feel back and Spectre but Mendes and him clashed with different opinions. I blame mendes.
    Craig had good intentions.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,306
    Dennison wrote: »
    thedove wrote: »
    Another wasted opportunity is how I would classify this latest string of events. The Connery era started promising with some continuity between DN and FRWL. Then they introduced GF as a standalone. They then returned to Spectre with TB and YOLT. By then Connery was uninterested and we suddenly got a new Bond and a new Blofeld who apparently didn't recognize each other even though their characters met in the previous film. Then DAF with little continuity and then Mclory inserted himself and that ended Spectre.

    Fast forward to present day! They finally secure the rights to Spectre again. Instead of planning a story arc and using some of Fleming's work they shoe horn it into their universe. Quantum is forgotten as an organization and the whole SP becomes a story of Bond's past.

    Now what I see possibly unfolding is a GF type of movie where we have Craig riding off into the sunset in a movie that isn't tied to the others. It has a chance to be a good film as they don't have to worry about linking it up with the others. Then we get a new Bond and a new Blofeld? Will they allow that the events of SP took place? Or like Quantum will they ignore and start again?

    Should be interesting to see it all unfold.

    If they're adapting YOLT then Shatterhand needs to be different in appearance to Blofeld in Bond 25 - i.e. either they're recasting or Waltz and Eon are playing a game where he'll be revealed from the Shatterhand character who looks quite different to Blofeld in Spectre.

    So, Maddy leaves Bond at the start of the film ... he's depressed as in YOLT, he's recruited by M to do an 'impossible' mission as in YOLT, and what seems to be a standalone mission brings him back to face his nemesis Blofeld.

    Yes, I think that is possible, and a good reason for Waltz to deny any involvement in B25.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited October 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Another article on MGM/Annapurna which discusses the difficulties Annapurna has been having since it got into the distribution business.

    http://www.indiewire.com/2017/10/mgm-annapurna-distribution-james-bond-box-office-1201892900/

    Note it says that MGM will release Creed and Tomb Raider next year with studio partner Warner, and both are larger releases.
  • BMW_with_missilesBMW_with_missiles All the usual refinements.
    Posts: 3,000
    Gumbold wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    Gumbold wrote: »
    ->MGM strikes a joint venture with Annapurna for theatrical distribution in the US, a distribution announcement for B25 may be a waiting game

    What does this mean exactly?
    Essentially, MGM will partner with Annapurna Pictures to distribute some of their American releases, and with this new deal, there's a slight possibility of Annapurna replacing Sony as co-distributor for B25.

    Will this have any negative impact? Do we have to wait longer for the next Bond movie? Anything like that?

    This is likely good news. Annapurna is also a video game publisher, which gives me hope for a new Bond game in the future.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited November 2017 Posts: 9,117
    thedove wrote: »
    Now what I see possibly unfolding is a GF type of movie where we have Craig riding off into the sunset in a movie that isn't tied to the others. It has a chance to be a good film as they don't have to worry about linking it up with the others. Then we get a new Bond and a new Blofeld? Will they allow that the events of SP took place?

    I'm coming to think this probably the best way out.

    Give B25 to Villeneuve and ask him to come up with a GF or TSWLM to see Dan off. No mention of Blofeld or Maddy, no character arcs, no Scooby gang apart the first 5 mins after the PTS. Just an honest meat and potatoes Bond film. We've had the poncey auteur with his 'philosophy' and he's left us sitting in the relegation zone. What we need is a no nonsense Sam Allardyce of an entry to save us from the edge of drop we are currently poised on.

    Once we get B25 out of the way - and at this stage it's looking like a hurdle to get over before the series can be reinvigorated rather anything to look forward to with any particular optimism - we can worry about Blofeld and SPECTRE (if we must; personally I wouldn't touch either for a good decade). But if they are insistent on using them let Nolan have a trilogy to do them justice.

    The main point is never mention stepbrothergate ever again. Even when Blofeld does return the relationship can just be like Charles Gray and Bond's - they know each other but we don't need to dwell on any backstory.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    I'll be fine with that, as long as he doesn't screw it up. He'd better bring his A game and not try to be what he's clearly not.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,409
    Just because B25 might not be directly connected to SP, doesn't suddenly mean they will throw out any semblance of angst. We really are getting carried away with ourselves, if we think that's likely. It's a bit like wanting Moore to do a LTK type film. Yes, he dipped his toe into that pool with FYEO, but with Moore there always needed to be gags. Well, with Craig there always has to be angst. Sorry, that's just the truth. They can dial it back, but it still has to be there in some form. Given that Craig will be in his 50's by B25, my guess is they make a unrelated, solitary story about an aging agent and focus on how to end Craig's Bond in the right way.
  • Tuck91Tuck91
    Posts: 1,680
    They already did the aging agent routine in Skyfall.

    I dont care personally what route they go but it better be worth a 4 year wait. Im a fan of SP but i wont be happy with Craigs finale being on par with that, it better be better.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
    Posts: 12,475
    I know it’s becoming the less popular thing, but I still mostly enjoy SP. The last third is sloppy, as is a fair amount of the story, but there’s just far too much in it that I like for me to totally condemn it. I had a pretty good time with it last night. The three things I dislike most were: making Silva a SPECTRE agent, making Blofeld Bond’s foster brother (not the worst thing ever, but just a fail at trying to make it more personal), and the predictable climax. Waltz’s Blofed is not a great villain, but certainly overhated. I love how SPECTRE as an organization is portrayed - very powerful and Illuminati-esque. For me, a decent but admittedly flawed Bond outing.

    They have written themselves into a corner sort of; I think standalone is the right way to go for the next one. Either that, or a continuation but with a lot less callbacks at least.
  • Ottofuse8Ottofuse8
    edited November 2017 Posts: 832
    Many users seem to think of bond 25 as some kind of inevitable mediocre film with no possibility of defying expectations or being interesting. That eon should recast and reinvent even though we have craig, the best bond since connery. I, along with many others, don't give a shit about the craig continuity. Casino royale and skyfall, the two craig films that aren't latched onto a previous film are the only good ones of the era. Sure, eon attempted continuity, but even though this is the strongest continuity of the series, its not the only. The connery films also had continuity, yet they cluld make live and let die. They attempted continuity, and they frankly failed at it completely. Those that don't think that a stand alone craig film would make sense dont understand the bond films, It would simply be one of many efforts at tacitly addressing a pervious attempt at continuity so the series can move on, like the opening scene of fyeo. Nobody really cares about continuity in the bond universe, even if it was previously attempted, and they shouldn't do so for bond 25. Therefore we shouldn't presume about bond 25. I gaurentee if its a good stand alone those that conplain about the craig era being incredibly contrived now wont continue to do so then.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited November 2017 Posts: 10,591
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    Many users seem to think of bond 25 as some kind of inevitable mediocre film with no possibility of defying expectations or being interesting. That eon should recast and reinvent even though we have craig, the best bond since connery. I, along with many others, don't give a shit about the craig continuity. Casino royale and skyfall, the two craig films that aren't latched onto a previous film are the only good ones of the era. Sure, eon attempted continuity, but even though this is the strongest continuity of the series, its not the only. The connery films also had continuity, yet they cluld make live and let die. They attempted continuity, and they frankly failed at it completely. Those that don't think that a stand alone craig film would make sense dont understand the bond films, It would simply be one of many efforts at tacitly addressing a pervious attempt at continuity so the series can move on, like the opening scene of fyeo. Nobody really cares about continuity in the bond universe, even if it was previously attempted, and they shouldn't do so for bond 25. Therefore we shouldn't presume about bond 25. I gaurentee if its a good stand alone those that conplain about the craig era being incredibly contrived now wont continue to do so then.
    Fully agreed. I'm not one with the "let's get B25 out of the way so we can get a fresh start with B26" attitude. This film has as much potential as the 4 films that came before it. The question lies with the delivery. And with the knowledge that this will be Craig's swan song, everyone involved are bound to fire on all cylinders with the forthcoming effort.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Let's hope so.

    We await the final product with keen interest and then will render a collective judgement. I don't see how it can be worse than the last one.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited November 2017 Posts: 11,425
    mattjoes wrote: »
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Or more likely a new director just doesn't want to take on any of Mendes's baggage, which is what I assumed some time ago. Where I got it wrong was whether a new director would want Craig along either (given the baggage is all his).

    This is certainly an issue.

    Any director worth his salt would say no to cleaning up the steaming turd Mendes has left. But the baggage is not solely Mendes it's also Craig and the Craig era. They put continuity and connected narrative above all else with the Craig era and to just ignore all that for one tacked on film seems a massive cop out and a pretty pointless exercise to be honest.

    By all logic and reason the obvious thing to do would be to recast and start with a clean slate but of course that's not happening as due to trying to nail a better distribution deal they have signed Craig for one more.

    Babs is not fussed and would rather do her arty farty Oscar bait projects. MGW is spent and deserves his retirement. Dan is only really in it for the money at this stage (and possibly trying to elevate his legacy to join the big 2 of Sean and Rog). P&W sound like they are out of ideas. No director of substance would want to touch it. Even amongst the fans here there doesn't seem much excitement. We're just treading water until 2022 and a new Bond.

    I can't help feeling B25 is shaping up to be a lame duck film that nobody really wants.

    And yet if they drop the Spectre story, B25 can offer a refreshing narrative near-clean slate, to be anchored by a popular and well-established Bond. It can be a project in which the key participants, freed from the straitjacket of story and tone they placed themselves in, can gradually begin to find inspiration for something different. Just like DAF anticipated the Moore era, B25 perhaps will anticipate the B#7 era. Someone said some pages back that he thought Craig wanted to switch things up with Spectre but Mendes wanted to do his dramatic thing again. I believe that's possible, if not certain. Surely someone had to be the creative influence that provided that goofier, lighter humor that Spectre had, and that already began to reflect a change.

    On the other hand, maybe they see nothing of interest in this project, and it's going to be a lame duck film. But there's a fairly reasonable chance it might not be, that's all I'm saying. Now that there's a strong chance Waltz might not return, I'm excited, because while I liked him, I want to see a shakeup.

    bondjames wrote: »
    Let's just say I know who I'd rather share bodily warmth with, and it's not the cellist. I'm generally not keen on vegetables, but I'll make an exception for Anya.

    How about you hand over Anya and I give you... Max Kalba?

    As pointed out many times on here the fans are unlikely to care whether B25 is a direct continuation of SP or not. So yes they boxed themselves into a corner but as hardly any one is invested in the narrative arc or Brofeld EON are free to make a more stand alone film if they want. Infact they can do a continuation that has nothing to do with SP as that story was (very badly) wrapped up.

    I think it's highly likely there will be continuity on some level but no reason necessarily it is a direct continuation of SP.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    Posts: 15,423
    So, is Bond 25 part of the MGM-Annapurna distribution agreement or not?
  • PropertyOfALadyPropertyOfALady Colders Federation CEO
    Posts: 3,675
    https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2017/10/31/bond-25-not-part-of-mgm-annapurna-distribution-deal/
  • nobodydoesitbetternobodydoesitbetter
    Posts: 1,021
    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=detroit.htm

    BOND 25 will probably be distributed by Annapurna in the US

    Check out the number of theatres that DETROIT was released to when it went wide. Their first film that they distributed.

    3, 007


  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    edited November 2017 Posts: 9,117
    Ottofuse8 wrote: »
    Many users seem to think of bond 25 as some kind of inevitable mediocre film with no possibility of defying expectations or being interesting. That eon should recast and reinvent even though we have craig, the best bond since connery. I, along with many others, don't give a shit about the craig continuity. Casino royale and skyfall, the two craig films that aren't latched onto a previous film are the only good ones of the era. Sure, eon attempted continuity, but even though this is the strongest continuity of the series, its not the only. The connery films also had continuity, yet they cluld make live and let die. They attempted continuity, and they frankly failed at it completely. Those that don't think that a stand alone craig film would make sense dont understand the bond films, It would simply be one of many efforts at tacitly addressing a pervious attempt at continuity so the series can move on, like the opening scene of fyeo. Nobody really cares about continuity in the bond universe, even if it was previously attempted, and they shouldn't do so for bond 25. Therefore we shouldn't presume about bond 25. I gaurentee if its a good stand alone those that conplain about the craig era being incredibly contrived now wont continue to do so then.

    I generally agree with you. Forget SP ever happened and give us a good old fashioned romp and everyone will be happy. It's not like anyone cared in the slightest when SF didn't mention Quantum.

    But likrwise I don't think any criticism can be levelled at any members who are underwhelmed by the current state of affairs. Unlike 1970 where the (perceived) flop of OHMSS and Laz walking out kind of forced them to ignore the events of OHMSS this is a mess entirely of EON's making. None of us asked them to start with this continuity business and after they just about got away with it with QOS I think most of us were happy that the end of SF signalled that we had got over this Vesper arc and normal service had been resumed. But then they inexplicably (well largely to get Mendes back it seems as doing a bog standard Bond film didn't interest him) ripped the scab off and started it up again but never thought to check what Logan was writing until 5 mins before shooting commenced.

    It's not the actual end result of SP (there are many far worse entries in the series) which has led to the exceptionally low expectations for B25 it's the dereliction of duty during it's script development, the ludicrously misjudged stepbrother decision and the general malaise in getting B25 off the ground with everyone bleating that they are tired and need a rest like they work 18 hour shifts in a Nike sweatshop in Indonesia.
    Getafix wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    TheWizardOfIce wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Or more likely a new director just doesn't want to take on any of Mendes's baggage, which is what I assumed some time ago. Where I got it wrong was whether a new director would want Craig along either (given the baggage is all his).

    This is certainly an issue.

    Any director worth his salt would say no to cleaning up the steaming turd Mendes has left. But the baggage is not solely Mendes it's also Craig and the Craig era. They put continuity and connected narrative above all else with the Craig era and to just ignore all that for one tacked on film seems a massive cop out and a pretty pointless exercise to be honest.

    By all logic and reason the obvious thing to do would be to recast and start with a clean slate but of course that's not happening as due to trying to nail a better distribution deal they have signed Craig for one more.

    Babs is not fussed and would rather do her arty farty Oscar bait projects. MGW is spent and deserves his retirement. Dan is only really in it for the money at this stage (and possibly trying to elevate his legacy to join the big 2 of Sean and Rog). P&W sound like they are out of ideas. No director of substance would want to touch it. Even amongst the fans here there doesn't seem much excitement. We're just treading water until 2022 and a new Bond.

    I can't help feeling B25 is shaping up to be a lame duck film that nobody really wants.

    And yet if they drop the Spectre story, B25 can offer a refreshing narrative near-clean slate, to be anchored by a popular and well-established Bond. It can be a project in which the key participants, freed from the straitjacket of story and tone they placed themselves in, can gradually begin to find inspiration for something different. Just like DAF anticipated the Moore era, B25 perhaps will anticipate the B#7 era. Someone said some pages back that he thought Craig wanted to switch things up with Spectre but Mendes wanted to do his dramatic thing again. I believe that's possible, if not certain. Surely someone had to be the creative influence that provided that goofier, lighter humor that Spectre had, and that already began to reflect a change.

    On the other hand, maybe they see nothing of interest in this project, and it's going to be a lame duck film. But there's a fairly reasonable chance it might not be, that's all I'm saying. Now that there's a strong chance Waltz might not return, I'm excited, because while I liked him, I want to see a shakeup.

    bondjames wrote: »
    Let's just say I know who I'd rather share bodily warmth with, and it's not the cellist. I'm generally not keen on vegetables, but I'll make an exception for Anya.

    How about you hand over Anya and I give you... Max Kalba?

    So yes they boxed themselves into a corner but as hardly any one is invested in the narrative arc or Brofeld EON are free to make a more stand alone film if they want. Infact they can do a continuation that has nothing to do with SP as that story was (very badly) wrapped up.

    Says it all really. They are free to make a standalone because they dropped the ball on a Bill Buckner scale (before you worry that the Wizard has lost it and is a baseball aficionado I've only heard of him through the episode in Curb!)and no one gives the slightest toss about what happened in SP - that's if they even remember it at all.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited November 2017 Posts: 4,521
    If Annapurna make movie with MGM, i am curious with who the movie will be released in the cinema and BD release. It always be Fox exept Casino Royale. Spectre was released by Universal (Cinema) and Fox (BD, DVD).

    Detroit was released local (Eone). Moost of those Annapurna movies are released in Netherlands by DFW (A- film), Entertainment One/Eone or Paradiso Entertainment (Dvd only). I hope Bond then atleast get Belga Home Entertainment who give us The Hunger Games (Lions Gate). Now You See Me 2 was a mix. Released in cinema by DFW, but because of Lions Gate we get BD and Dvd release by Belga. DFW and Eone made swith with Now You See Me and Fallen movie.

    Sicario is also released by Belga, but not as 4,3 or 2 disc edition with slipcover or steelbook. But as ok, but not that great single disc withou sleeve/slipcover. Springbreakers is also Annapurna movie and get BD/DVD release with slipcover. But that time is over and there deside moost if time to go for one disc release. Another movie like to have released only include trailer of movie because it flops in the cinema (not enough promotion and cinema count). Prisoners also get Bd/dvd combopack with lack of bonusmaterial. If Bond 25 wil get 3 dic slipcover release aka Hunger Games ( 2 disc + dvd + slipcover) or atleast BD steelbook (Now you see me 2 have moost extras in The Netherlands) or better BD/Dvd (slipcover or steelbook) or better a 3 disc steelbook (2 disc + dvd).

    A film does not exist any more, but in past there release Lord of the rings for Newline and Warner and release Mad Men. Moost of the things are taken over by DFW exept The hobbiet.

    Great Big Giant is Paramount movie, there deside that Disney must do Dutch release and this turn out that 3D not include 2D disc. No bonus material.
  • PanchitoPistolesPanchitoPistoles 2.0
    Posts: 4,619
    nobodydoesitbetter wrote: »
    http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekend&id=detroit.htm

    BOND 25 will probably be distributed by Annapurna in the US

    Check out the number of theatres that DETROIT was released to when it went wide. Their first film that they distributed.

    3, 007

    Wow. Well done for spotting that! There is no way that's a coincidence, Megan Ellison seems to be a huge Bond fan.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    007Blofeld wrote: »
    So it will be Annapurna and MGM releasing Bond 25?

    Not necessarily. But it could very well be that the US Distribution for Bond #25 is now already finalized: The MGM/Annapurna joint-venture are doing it.
  • Gustav_GravesGustav_Graves
    Posts: 11,119
    PropertyOfALady wrote: »
    https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2017/10/31/bond-25-not-part-of-mgm-annapurna-distribution-deal/

    Well, that's not true....the title of the article. MGM hasn't said that....just that the distributors for Bond 25 will be revealed at a later stage (probably they are still negotiating). And it could very well be that for Bond #25 Annapurna will do the US distribution for Bond #25.
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