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can this narrative stop until it goes just beyond a fart of a rumor, that someone probably just made up.. there has been nothing that says EON is going to be done with Bond - put it to rest.
While I don't dislike his efforts as much as many do, Newman's rehashing of The Moors was just unforgivable and it went on and and on and on and on..... Gave me a bloody earache. That track worked so much better in SF.
Agreed. It worked fine in Skyfall. It also helped it wasn't looped for nearly 18 minutes in it either.
@Murdock
exactly...
the lack of Bond theme since Craig took over has bothered me.. I don't need to hear it all the time - but it should be used to highlight what we would consider "Bond moments".. and i've always said this scene in SP was prime for the Bond theme, and Newman/Mendes wizzed it down their leg..
my problem with SP's score overall is how much is simply rehashed from SF... i've heard others explain it as Newman trying to build specific moment themes and cues.. but i call it laziness.. there are some moments of brilliance in there, but then - like the scene above - you get The Moors rehashed for a whole scene - without even an attempt to remix it... i dont want to keep bringing up Arnold - but he reused cues as well, but he always changed things within the music, that while it was the same, it sounded a little different.
Though at risk of sounding ignorant, What cues has Arnold reused? I've listened to his scores a lot and aside from the reuse of Vesper's theme to fit certain narrative elements and a suspense motif, I've never heard an Arnold track that was flat out a direct reuse of a whole track like what we've experienced with Newman.
MGM reported third-quarter financial results today. They have an investor call the same day when quarterly financial results are reported. MGM had to say *something*. Barber said as little as he could get away with.
And he was right.
I have tried this...it works well.
If we get Mendes (we'll see), we'll get Newman.
Speaking of EPIX, not sure if this means anything, but two of Villeneuve's films are available on the MGM-owned channel this month: Sicario and Arrival.
I admit one could question Newman's interest regarding any other Mendes-Newman collaboration, not just the Bond films. But I'm just imagining a hypothetical scenario in which Mendes returns but Newman doesn't.
http://filmtracks.com/titles/spectre.html
Not really. Even MI6-HQ confirmed that the rumor is not just BS.
I thought I heard Wade and Purvis say something like this. and Mendes himself in a podcast. but the brother aspect is just one of the three big problems I have with SP. the other two: 2) making the biggest Bond of all time. that shouldn't be a goal in itself. yes, SP has some terrific scenes, but they forgot the story. Imho a good story should be the number one goal. 3) making Blofeld the author of all Bond's pain, tying all storylines together.
He makes films for the cinema. This is why he made bank. SF and SP are spectacularly staged but shallow with no repeat value. Moreover, I don't think he understands Fleming at all. Or how to imbue Bond's world with the details and quirks we know and love from the other movies.
A third Mendes film would tip the Craig canon into negative territory. Good first couple, pretentious, angsty final three.
If Mendes is announced I will still look forward to B25 but will not be expecting Craig to get his wish and go out on a high note.
I really enjoyed Away We Go. It has a soundtrack of old songs which explains why Newman wasn't involved. Is it coincidence that one of the few Mendes films I've thoroughly enjoyed didn't involved Newman?
It does seem unforgivable that on a Bond movie a composer is allowed to get away with just rehashing his previous score. I mean, what are EON paying the guy for if that is all he brings to the table. Very poor form. I don't know what kind of relationship Mendes and Newman have, but presumably Newman pays Mendes a kickback for every gig he's offered.
Having said all of this, I actually was less bothered by the score on SP than I was on SF. On SF because I just disliked the film in general the score grated more. With SP, I was more taken along for the ride by the film, so these quibbles were less noticeable.
Does seem like there's a chance now of Mendes coming back for one more. I would have thought that meant Waltz is definitely out of the picture though?
For me I actually felt a discernible improvement in quality between SF and SP, which makes me feel that a third Mendes entry might be better still. SF is the low point of the Craig era for me. Incoherent mess of a film that inexplicably hit the BO jackpot (the 2012 Olympics and Adelle explain at least 25% of the BO IMO).
SP is full of flaws, not least Brofeld, but that's a fleeting moment that I am able to largely overlook. The rest of the film is full of nice scenes that surpass anything in SF IMO. The PTS pretty much hits it out of the park. Wishaw's Q comes into his own. The Spectre meet in Rome is rather nicely done I think. Good choice of locations (better than SF any way), if not particularly well used. The plane chase sequence is hardly classic Bond but beats any of the action in SF. The train fight is cliched but highly enjoyable. It might not be the sum of its parts, but scene for scene it surpasses SF.
I agree neither Mendes film has much rewatch value - least of all SF. Both are way too long for starters and full of plodding padding that drags massively on a rewatch. But with Mendes providing two highly successful commercial entries in a row, EON would of course want to know if they can get him back for a third. If he returns he will be the only director apart from Glen to direct 3 in a row.
I personally hoped for more from the Craig era. I enjoyed CR and QoS and then it all took a wrong turn with SF, with Mendes only partially redeeming himself with SP. But if I look back over the recent history of Bond and how low the series sank at numerous points from 95-02, then I have to say that even with the recent drop in form, we're still in a much better position than we were fifteen years ago.