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2 sentences. How lazy must @Zekidk be to not even be bothered to read 2 sentences. But he isn't lazy to falsely accuse others of doing precisely the mistake he made.
It is becoming incredibly sad how some members have lost all ability to think intelligently since the pandemic began. It shouldn't be necessary to explain how $200 million world-wide on a $200 million budget is a flop. But here we are.
Once you start claiming actual data, numbers and facts as false, you become no better than the 'fake news' crowd on social media.
It is strange how some just refuse to admit Tenet's box office is terrible. Not even when professional box office trades are saying same thing. I guess all experts are 'fake news' now. What a sad world to live in.
A month ago Tenet was predicted to earn between $150 million to $300 million domestic. It now won't even reach $100 million. And yet people still claim it is a success. Maybe I was wrongly taught maths in school and 100 million is a bigger number than 300 million. Maybe Nolan succeeded in inverting real-world money using his tenet device.
Yeah, that's the problem.
The problem is not the safety, it's the "angst" of the people.
But even that is different in different countries.
In China they have box office numbers like last year again.
In Europe numbers start to go up the more new movies get released.
So for the cinemas in the US it would be best if they had 3 or 4 big blockbuster movies at the same time to fill the seats.
To just show Tenet for months cannot be the goal of cinemas.
So Distributors AND the public have to re-think.
No need for further discussion.
The discussion was already over once actual numbers and facts are ignored because they don’t fit certain narratives.
People post box office predictions? Who cares! They are always wrong anyway.
The actual box office results happen to be much, much lower than these predictions ? Either total silence or certain members will invent numbers or do crazy mental gymnastics to explain said terrible numbers are actually good.
Final opening weekend projection for Tenet domestically: $25 million.
Actual opening weekend: $11 million.
Final total domestic projection for Tenet: $150 million to $300 million.
Current projection based on first 2 weekends: $100 million domestic.
But lets ask @Zekidk and his alternative mathematics to explain that Tenet isn’t a financial disaster!
Years of box office discussion down the drain now that people are saying with a straight face that $200 million on a $200 million budget means it is a total and undeniable success!
Variety posted today that Tenet will finish just over $300 million world wide, which is over $100 million below its break even point. This movie certainly is even more profitable than Avengers Endgame!
I never called it a succes. Why do you insist on referring to something I never wrote? My only argument here is that it's much too early to call it a finansial disaster. We are only two weeks in, and it has almost made half to break even. Here in Europe 'Tenet' is life saver support for many theatres that really need a blockbuster, and it's going to be the main ticket in weeks to come, too.
And please stop bullying people. If you think you have a strong case, there's really no need for it:
"Part of the ambiguity is that nobody really knows how to assess the results for “Tenet.” Sure, in ordinary times, $20 million would be a disastrous result for a Nolan film. But these are no ordinary times.
Without much competition on the horizon, Warner Bros. is hoping that “Tenet” will enjoy a longer-than-usual run on the big screen to help recoup its massive $200 million budget
(...)
“The major markets that haven’t opened yet are all areas where a Christopher Nolan film would do well,” Corcoran noted. “As more open, there’s a real runway for ‘Tenet’ to continue doing well.”
Cinemark CEO Mark Zoradi said 70% of the cinema chain’s 525 U.S. locations reopened in time for “Tenet.” He estimates that opening weekend receipts would have been closer to $30 million if venues across California and New York were able to welcome customers.
“There’s clearly progress being made,” Zoradi said. “Our expectation is that ‘Tenet’ will have an unusual play pattern compared to your typical movie because new theaters will be opening up each week.”
https://variety.com/2020/film/news/tenet-opening-weekend-box-office-wonder-woman-1234762206/
A. Tenet is just one movie. For all we know even without the pandemic it could have ended up being a box office flop, new IP, no real A list stars etc.
B. We have no data to compare their numbers. For all we know it may ended up being a new reality for big movie releases and we will look at those numbers in few years and consider them to be actually acceptable.
C. We really don't know shit. We are all assuming stuff, we have no actual idea what's the reality will be going forward. Will cinemas survive ? Are people actually going to watch the delayed movies ? What if all those delays will kill cinemas everywhere and everyone will have to hit streaming services ? What if now is actually the last moment to make any money at the box office ?
I feel like we have to take all those matters into account. It would be the best for everyone if we all remind ourselves that we have no actual idea what we are talking about here, we are all assuming, making educated guesses but in the end we might all be wrong. Let's all keep our minds open
Let's wait and see what happens.
I think it could make more than that on VOD if they released it soon, over Christmas. Most people really can’t be bothered to go out of their way to pirate movies imo. And they’d have the advantage of being the first big franchise blockbuster to have released all year.
The thing about delaying again is, we don’t know where we’ll be in a year. And they won’t be able to just sit on a massive, 250 million, product placement filled blockbuster indefinitely. At some point they’ll have to see some sort of return on investment. And the longer they delay it, the more that budget will balloon, thanks to marketing.
They could delay it another year and hope for the best. Spend even more money on a third marketing campaign in the process. But what if things still haven’t picked up by then at the box office, and they then have to give up and just release it on VOD anyway? A massive waste of money and they’ve missed their chance to strike while the iron is hot, as the studios behind the other delayed blockbusters will probably be giving up too by then.
At this point, I think it’s safe to say the chances of NTTD making a big profit are non existent. And I think their best bet for damage control, ensuring they at least make some money, would be to stick to this date, either through a hybrid release (VOD in America, cinema elsewhere?) or just on VOD, depending on how things are Corona wise.
I’m not worried about future Bond films either. It’s a huge iconic brand and they must make a fair bit from the old films. One flop wouldn’t kill the series. I do think we won’t see another one with such a big budget anytime soon though.
I agree we don't know enough to know how successful a VOD release would be, but it feels like the large wish from the fan community to do a VOD release is just to see the movie earlier, not because anyone thinks that's a more financially lucrative or a viable option. As stated more eloquently by @CraigMooreOHMSSabove, theres a difference between things being necessary and wanting it to happen. I don't think a 2020 VOD release is necessary for the franchise. If all other major franchises are pushing to 2021 for a (hopefully) more lucrative theatrical release, I don't know a good reason why NTTD shouldn't follow suit, setting aside the fact we all want to see the movie asap.
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/local-lockdown-north-east-rules-18945698
This is all getting way too hostile, and unnecessarily nasty. @DaltonCraig007 you have my respect as far as your passion and compiling data based on films and box office. However, please don't call other members trolls, because you have a difference of opinion. Just because you believe you're right, doesn't mean that you are. Keep in mind that @RogerJonMoorePertwee lives in a different part of the world to you, where the situation is not the same as yours. He also has a different opinion to you. That doesn't mean he's wrong.
By being uncivil with each other is not going to solve anything. A heated debate is fine, but when it descends into name calling or hostility, then it has to stop. Before submitting a post, think about what effect it may have. That goes for all of us.
An Oscar cleanup will be welcome. But Tenet.
If it gets CR/SF critical reception then we can hope for a best picture nom, that would be hilarious.
Not gonna happen.
NTTD does not come up on those Oscar predictions lists:
https://www.indiewire.com/feature/oscars-2021-best-picture-predictions-1234572041/
https://www.goldderby.com/feature/2021-oscar-best-picture-predictions-1203337083/
“Da 5 Bloods” (Netflix – June 12)
"Mank” (Netflix – Fall)
“Hillbilly Elegy” (Netflix – Fall)
“Trial of the Chicago 7” (Netflix – Fall)
Releasing movies on Netflix seems like the way to go if you want to increase your odds.