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  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
    edited August 2019 Posts: 4,343
    Boyle’s film included Russian villains... So with the Russian plates are they still including the Boyle story? Seems odd they would roll with the Russians still.

    Using Russian as villains in Bond movies is no Boyle copyright. :D

    NTTD is based on P&W story, not Boyle.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Boyle’s film included Russian villains... So with the Russian plates are they still including the Boyle story? Seems odd they would roll with the Russians still.

    "The Russians" and "Russian villains" is not synonymous.
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    Station_Z wrote: »


    If you look at the clapperboard in this video (timemark 26sec), the Matera chase scene will be X54B. I didn't expect it to be that late.

    Could we have all been wrong about the PTS after all then...?

    This is 2nd Unit and sometimes, so slate numbers don't double up with the Main Unit numbers (which are using the American scene numbers system) when the 1st unit arrive to shoot the same scenes with the lead actors (ie close ups of Craig and Lea in the car etc.), they use the UK slate system which is shot number and the slate number and then a scene number underneath. And they use letters to designate whether the clapperboard is for an A camera, B camera or a C camera etc. I'll take a look at the clip, but that's my first thought.
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    matt_u wrote: »
    Boyle’s film included Russian villains... So with the Russian plates are they still including the Boyle story? Seems odd they would roll with the Russians still.

    Using Russian as villains in Bond movies is no Boyle copyright. :D

    NTTD is based on P&W story, not Boyle.

    Correction.

    This is a very messy discussion.....but it goes a little like this:
    1. There was a report that Boyle and Hodge were always using the P&W script as the basis of their idea.
    2. When Hodge/Boyle left the film, P&W were hired back to work on a 'new script'. It was said to use elements of both their original idea and the script by Hodge.
    3. Then Eon hired writer-director Cary Fukunaga, who has rewrote the script.
    4. Then that script needed finessing and Scott Z Burns was bought on to rework it.
    5. Then Daniel Craig wanted to get Phoebe Waller-Bridge to polish it.

    At the moment it is very confusing as to who will get the final credit. We don't really know the situation at all .......though I suspect when the creatives have to go on the interview circuit we will hear a lot more detail.

    Currently, the official press release revealing NTTD as the title suggest that all 5 will be credited (no John Hodge).........................................
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
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    Either way the fact that it originally had Russian villains and now there’s evidence it still features Russian villains is interesting..
  • matt_umatt_u better known as Mr. Roark
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    matt_u wrote: »
    Boyle’s film included Russian villains... So with the Russian plates are they still including the Boyle story? Seems odd they would roll with the Russians still.

    Using Russian as villains in Bond movies is no Boyle copyright. :D

    NTTD is based on P&W story, not Boyle.

    Correction.

    This is a very messy discussion.....but it goes a little like this:
    1. There was a report that Boyle and Hodge were always using the P&W script as the basis of their idea.
    2. When Hodge/Boyle left the film, P&W were hired back to work on a 'new script'. It was said to use elements of both their original idea and the script by Hodge.
    3. Then Eon hired writer-director Cary Fukunaga, who has rewrote the script.
    4. Then that script needed finessing and Scott Z Burns was bought on to rework it.
    5. Then Daniel Craig wanted to get Phoebe Waller-Bridge to polish it.

    At the moment it is very confusing as to who will get the final credit. We don't really know the situation at all .......though I suspect when the creatives have to go on the interview circuit we will hear a lot more detail.

    Currently, the official press release revealing NTTD as the title suggest that all 5 will be credited (no John Hodge).........................................

    Well, I remember the timeline but I also remember that P&W had a treatment already signed off til the bromance with Boyle & Hodge. Then, after the divorce, P&W were re-hired to pen a script based on their treatment. That's what Baz said one year ago. I don't remember reports saying that Boyle was using P&W idea as the basis of his "uncompromising" film and I honestly wouldn't be so sure about that, based on the director approach. BTW since Hodge got not credit it is logic to believe that almost nothing from Boyle's version survived, if not nothing at all...
  • DeerAtTheGatesDeerAtTheGates Belgium
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    matt_u wrote: »
    Boyle’s film included Russian villains... So with the Russian plates are they still including the Boyle story? Seems odd they would roll with the Russians still.

    Using Russian as villains in Bond movies is no Boyle copyright. :D

    NTTD is based on P&W story, not Boyle.

    Correction.

    This is a very messy discussion.....but it goes a little like this:
    1. There was a report that Boyle and Hodge were always using the P&W script as the basis of their idea.
    2. When Hodge/Boyle left the film, P&W were hired back to work on a 'new script'. It was said to use elements of both their original idea and the script by Hodge.
    3. Then Eon hired writer-director Cary Fukunaga, who has rewrote the script.
    4. Then that script needed finessing and Scott Z Burns was bought on to rework it.
    5. Then Daniel Craig wanted to get Phoebe Waller-Bridge to polish it.

    At the moment it is very confusing as to who will get the final credit. We don't really know the situation at all .......though I suspect when the creatives have to go on the interview circuit we will hear a lot more detail.

    Currently, the official press release revealing NTTD as the title suggest that all 5 will be credited (no John Hodge).........................................

    And somewhere in between is a rumoured-but-totally-not-confirmed Paul Haggis doing work on it too. But I think that's neglectable in all of this.
  • leas_moleleas_mole love is the promise of suffering
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    Contraband wrote: »
    Lea's stunt racing double, could her name be Gemita Samarra? Or am I late to the party?

    Gemita was Lea's stunt double in Spectre. The new stunt lady looks different to Gemita (in the background)

    2121x1591xIMG_6250-1.jpg.pagespeed.ic.rPp77klD6I.jpg
  • edited August 2019 Posts: 53
    Thoughts with long drawn out explanations - the synopsis reads that Bond is recruited by Felix Leiter to help with a kidnapped scientist whilst on retirement from the service in Jamaica. Felix presumably still works for the CIA, suggesting the work he wants Bond to do is something the CIA can't be seen to interfere in (I. E. Cuba). This implies Bond takes on the job simply because he is bored and wants to return to danger to generously help an old associate... or alternatively, could the request Felix makes be personal to Bond and thus why he agrees?

    To all extents it seems Bond is solo when the film starts in Jamaica, whilst all rumours suggest he is with Madeleine during the PTS, with potential for a time jump between the two. Madeleine appeared to be a psychologist in spectre. Psychology is classed as a science and therefore if the synopsis is relying on wordplay, could the scientist in question not be Madeleine? It seems so far the presumption is the missing scientist is involved in developing the "dangerous new technology" - but the synopsis implies nothing of the sort. It says that the mission to rescue a scientist becomes treacherous, which leads to the trail of a mysterious villain armed with a dangerous new technology. Of course I could be clutching at straws massively (and if honest, I feel I am) but I have been wondering if perhaps Madeleine is kidnapped (By Spectre?) rather than killed off like everyone seems to expect, explaining why Bond is alone. He then heads off to rescue her based on info obtained by Felix (thus explaining why he randomly decides to return to action). This leads him on the trail of the villain responsible and the technological threat they hold, based on what Madeleine learnt whilst being held, and subsequently forces his reconnection with MI6? Furthermore this may give credence to the rumours that Madeleine visits a certain rumoured to be returning character rather than Bond - because she wants answers as of to what happened to her and why?

    Of course my thinking could be all nonsense but it's nice to have so little confirmed so we can speculate so wildly :')
  • edited August 2019 Posts: 4,409
    Thoughts with long drawn out explanations - the synopsis reads that Bond is recruited by Felix Leiter to help with a kidnapped scientist whilst on retirement from the service in Jamaica. Felix presumably still works for the CIA, suggesting the work he wants Bond to do is something the CIA can't be seen to interfere in (I. E. Cuba). This implies Bond takes on the job simply because he is bored and wants to return to danger to generously help an old associate... or alternatively, could the request Felix makes be personal to Bond and thus why he agrees?

    To all extents it seems Bond is solo when the film starts in Jamaica, whilst all rumours suggest he is with Madeleine during the PTS, with potential for a time jump between the two. Madeleine appeared to be a psychologist in spectre. Psychology is classed as a science and therefore if the synopsis is relying on wordplay, could the scientist in question not be Madeleine? It seems so far the presumption is the missing scientist is involved in developing the "dangerous new technology" - but the synopsis implies nothing of the sort. It says that the mission to rescue a scientist becomes treacherous, which leads to the trail of a mysterious villain armed with a dangerous new technology. Of course I could be clutching at straws massively (and if honest, I feel I am) but I have been wondering if perhaps Madeleine is kidnapped (By Spectre?) rather than killed off like everyone seems to expect, explaining why Bond is alone. He then heads off to rescue her based on info obtained by Felix (thus explaining why he randomly decides to return to action). This leads him on the trail of the villain responsible and the technological threat based on what Madeleine learnt whilst being held and forced his reconnection with MI6? Furthermore this may give credence to the rumours that Madeleine visits a certain rumoured to be returning character rather than Bond - because she wants answers as of to what happened to her and why?

    Of course my thinking could be all nonsense but it's nice to have so little confirmed so we can speculate so wildly :')

    The bold text is key.

    Here's my theory:
    I think the film opens in Matera and Madeleine does indeed die. I think that Dali Bensallah is the assassin who carries out the act. This is probably his character:

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    Bond then goes into retirement and slips into depression in Jamaica. From there, Bond is asked by Felix to save the kidnapped scientist in Cuba. I imagine Felix needs the job done ‘off the books’.

    screen-shot-2019-06-25-at-9.35.16-am.png

    So why would Bond – who has likely avoided returning to active service after 5 years – finally decide to return to the field? Well, I think Felix has intel to suggest that Dali Bensallah – that man who killed Madeline Swan – was behind the kidnapping. This gives Bond the dramatic agency required to carry out the rescue mission and kill Bensallah. We know Bensallah was also filming in Jamaica and was on the Cuba set in Jamaica.

  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    leas_mole wrote: »
    Contraband wrote: »
    Lea's stunt racing double, could her name be Gemita Samarra? Or am I late to the party?

    Gemita was Lea's stunt double in Spectre. The new stunt lady looks different to Gemita (in the background)

    2121x1591xIMG_6250-1.jpg.pagespeed.ic.rPp77klD6I.jpg

    @leas_mole Yeah maybe you're right.

  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    Swann being filmed? (as in Leas double). Not much of clip either.



  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    Contraband wrote: »


    That's one cool bobber. I guess they're going with Triumph motorcycles for this one. I've seen the assassin in one, a Scrambler maybe, or something like it.
  • Red_SnowRed_Snow Australia
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    Is that just sun light reflecting off the Aston as it goes round burning wood, or is it firing its guns?
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    Don't hit the car, don't hit the car, don't hit the car!!!



  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    Red_Snow wrote: »

    Is that just sun light reflecting off the Aston as it goes round burning wood, or is it firing its guns?

    Must be the sun. They wouldn't waiste squibs (or the time/money fixing them) as this is a rehearsal.

    Right?
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    Madeline can’t die early if they’re exploring her character and she has a scene with Oberhauser. I think she is presumed dead in the pts.
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    Italian news report. Not much really


    Daily mail:
    Leaked image shows the new Land Rover Defender two weeks before it's due to be unveiled - and it's all James Bond's fault

  • J_Bryce777J_Bryce777 San Francisco
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  • edited August 2019 Posts: 6,709
    Cool camera angle from the chopper afar. Very YOLT. Now...cue the 007 theme, please!
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
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    Univex wrote: »
    Cool camera angle from the chopper afar. Very YOLT. Now...cue the 007 theme, please!

    duda duda dudada da da duda ;)
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    Another clip with the gyrocam chopper (low quality)




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    mtm wrote: »
    vzok wrote: »
    All these videos are much appreciated. Wish they would put stuff like this on the blu ray extras.


    I’ve been trying to find a similar phone camera clip from when they were shooting Spectre: someone shot them doing the fight on the side of the helicopter and it was more impressive than it was in the film- the fight was really long and watching it without cuts was way more impressive! :)

    Wish I had saved some of those from SP. Going to hold on to these NTTD ones.
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    Univex wrote: »
    Contraband wrote: »


    That's one cool bobber. I guess they're going with Triumph motorcycles for this one. I've seen the assassin in one, a Scrambler maybe, or something like it.

    Plus, for all I know, they used a Triumph Tiger in the woods (and a Kawasaki).
  • ContrabandContraband Sweden
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    Compilations of the Matera shoot so far




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    or alternatively, could the request Felix makes be personal to Bond and thus why he agrees?

    To all extents it seems Bond is solo when the film starts in Jamaica, whilst all rumours suggest he is with Madeleine during the PTS, with potential for a time jump between the two. Madeleine appeared to be a psychologist in spectre. Psychology is classed as a science and therefore if the synopsis is relying on wordplay, could the scientist in question not be Madeleine? It seems so far the presumption is the missing scientist is involved in developing the "dangerous new technology" - but the synopsis implies nothing of the sort. It says that the mission to rescue a scientist becomes treacherous, which leads to the trail of a mysterious villain armed with a dangerous new technology. Of course I could be clutching at straws massively (and if honest, I feel I am) but I have been wondering if perhaps Madeleine is kidnapped (By Spectre?) rather than killed off like everyone seems to expect, explaining why Bond is alone. He then heads off to rescue her based on info obtained by Felix (thus explaining why he randomly decides to return to action). This leads him on the trail of the villain responsible and the technological threat they hold, based on what Madeleine learnt whilst being held, and subsequently forces his reconnection with MI6? Furthermore this may give credence to the rumours that Madeleine visits a certain rumoured to be returning character rather than Bond - because she wants answers as of to what happened to her and why?

    Of course my thinking could be all nonsense but it's nice to have so little confirmed so we can speculate so wildly :')


    I speculated about the same months ago. Why this makes sense:
    - Lea is first billed among the women
    - Lea mentioned she would further explore the character in the movie
    - She woudn't return for a role that only requires her character in the PTS where (as we see) it is 90% stunt double!
    - We get a sense that she is mostly featured in Pinewood scenes
    - It was said she would meet another character later in the movie
    - "scientist" is the best way of describing her role without spoiling too much
    - We know she is in the PTS, but we know Bond is alone on Bahamas. They cant "kill off" Bond again like in the SF PTS so it is very obvious that Maddie disappears at the end of the PTS
    - it makes perfect sense that LEiter could convince Bond to return with a personal reason

    So I think the PTS ends with Madeleine getting captured, or assumed dead.
    It could well be that Leiter doesnt know that she is alive but then Bond encounters her during the Cuba mission

  • edited August 2019 Posts: 3,276
    danielcc wrote: »
    So I think the PTS ends with Madeleine getting captured, or assumed dead. It could well be that Leiter doesnt know that she is alive but then Bond encounters her during the Cuba mission
    Bond thinks she is dead. He wouldn't try to engage with other women (we know that he tries to seduce the new 007 in Jamaica) if he knows Swann is alive. And yes, Leiter then visits him to tell him, that CIA has found out that she's alive - the "kidnapped scientist." With this knowledge, Bond begins his quest.

    No...wait. Bond is with Paloma, also, so there goes my theory. Unless of course, Swann is alive, but has betrayed Bond.
  • edited August 2019 Posts: 4,619
    At the moment it is very confusing as to who will get the final credit. We don't really know the situation at all .......
    Whaaaat? It's not confusing at all. EON already told us very clearly in at least two separate press releases that the final list of credited writers is: Neal Purvis, Robert Wade, Scott Z. Burns, Cary Joji Fukunaga, Phoebe Waller-Bridge.
  • JamesCraigJamesCraig Ancient Rome
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    danielcc wrote: »
    or alternatively, could the request Felix makes be personal to Bond and thus why he agrees?

    To all extents it seems Bond is solo when the film starts in Jamaica, whilst all rumours suggest he is with Madeleine during the PTS, with potential for a time jump between the two. Madeleine appeared to be a psychologist in spectre. Psychology is classed as a science and therefore if the synopsis is relying on wordplay, could the scientist in question not be Madeleine? It seems so far the presumption is the missing scientist is involved in developing the "dangerous new technology" - but the synopsis implies nothing of the sort. It says that the mission to rescue a scientist becomes treacherous, which leads to the trail of a mysterious villain armed with a dangerous new technology. Of course I could be clutching at straws massively (and if honest, I feel I am) but I have been wondering if perhaps Madeleine is kidnapped (By Spectre?) rather than killed off like everyone seems to expect, explaining why Bond is alone. He then heads off to rescue her based on info obtained by Felix (thus explaining why he randomly decides to return to action). This leads him on the trail of the villain responsible and the technological threat they hold, based on what Madeleine learnt whilst being held, and subsequently forces his reconnection with MI6? Furthermore this may give credence to the rumours that Madeleine visits a certain rumoured to be returning character rather than Bond - because she wants answers as of to what happened to her and why?

    Of course my thinking could be all nonsense but it's nice to have so little confirmed so we can speculate so wildly :')


    I speculated about the same months ago. Why this makes sense:
    - Lea is first billed among the women
    - Lea mentioned she would further explore the character in the movie
    - She woudn't return for a role that only requires her character in the PTS where (as we see) it is 90% stunt double!
    - We get a sense that she is mostly featured in Pinewood scenes
    - It was said she would meet another character later in the movie
    - "scientist" is the best way of describing her role without spoiling too much
    - We know she is in the PTS, but we know Bond is alone on Bahamas. They cant "kill off" Bond again like in the SF PTS so it is very obvious that Maddie disappears at the end of the PTS
    - it makes perfect sense that LEiter could convince Bond to return with a personal reason

    So I think the PTS ends with Madeleine getting captured, or assumed dead.
    It could well be that Leiter doesnt know that she is alive but then Bond encounters her during the Cuba mission

    This all makes very much sense. But what about the kidnapped scientist? Maybe she's there forced to work on Malek's scheme?

    Interesting...
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