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Timothy Dalton in Bond 17 Teaser Trailer

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  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    Love the sinister music. Reminds me a bit of Crimewatch for some reason.

    Sleep tight ,and dont have nightmares @BAIN123 ;)

    Nick Ross was great.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    I dont watch it anymore...seems a bit self indulgent and arrogant.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    I dont watch it anymore...seems a bit self indulgent and arrogant.

    They've dramatized it too much.

    "...coming up, the brutal murder of John Smith. Stayed tuned"

  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    Marvelously crafted trailer, @Milovy. Many of your edits are just perfect. I especially like that thundering sting in the music as we cut to the Tokyo exterior from Dalton sitting up in bed and back again, and the subtle dissolve from the skull X-Ray to Dalton's eyes with 007 superimposed. Great choice of Barry music, too. Very evocative. The ending that plays over Dalton turning and the title card definitely suggests this will be the darkest Bond yet. Which Barry score is this from by the way? The Specialist? I know it's one I haven't heard before.

    Also, I agree with you and others that this definitely isn't what we would have gotten with a third Dalton. But one can dream...
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    BAIN123 wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I dont watch it anymore...seems a bit self indulgent and arrogant.



    They've dramatized it too much.

    "...coming up, the brutal murder of John Smith. Stayed tuned"

    Spot on...ratings more than actually helping ...typical BBC nowadays.

  • MilovyMilovy
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    tanaka123 wrote: »
    Superb.
    Thank you.
    Agent_99 wrote: »
    OH MAN. Now I really want to know how the movie played out.
    In my mind, the basic plot is that a mission goes wrong in Japan and Bond is captured, then finds an unexpected ally in an American woman played by Andrea Parker (probably not an agent, as Pam was an American agent in LTK). I'm not sure who would play the villain. John Lone perhaps?
    Getafix wrote: »
    I am a big fan of the Michael Douglas film Black Rain, which this seems to channel.
    Actually, other than the footage of Dalton and Andrea Parker, the whole trailer is footage from Black Rain.
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    Marvelously crafted trailer, @Milovy. Many of your edits are just perfect. I especially like that thundering sting in the music as we cut to the Tokyo exterior from Dalton sitting up in bed and back again, and the subtle dissolve from the skull X-Ray to Dalton's eyes with 007 superimposed. Great choice of Barry music, too. Very evocative. The ending that plays over Dalton turning and the title card definitely suggests this will be the darkest Bond yet. Which Barry score is this from by the way? The Specialist? I know it's one I haven't heard before.

    Also, I agree with you and others that this definitely isn't what we would have gotten with a third Dalton. But one can dream...
    Thanks a lot for these comments, @Some_Kind_Of_Hero. I'm glad you enjoyed the editing! The music is from Barry's score for Jagged Edge.
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
    Posts: 6,844
    Milovy wrote: »
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    Marvelously crafted trailer, @Milovy. Many of your edits are just perfect. I especially like that thundering sting in the music as we cut to the Tokyo exterior from Dalton sitting up in bed and back again, and the subtle dissolve from the skull X-Ray to Dalton's eyes with 007 superimposed. Great choice of Barry music, too. Very evocative. The ending that plays over Dalton turning and the title card definitely suggests this will be the darkest Bond yet. Which Barry score is this from by the way? The Specialist? I know it's one I haven't heard before.

    Also, I agree with you and others that this definitely isn't what we would have gotten with a third Dalton. But one can dream...
    Thanks a lot for these comments, @Some_Kind_Of_Hero. I'm glad you enjoyed the editing! The music is from Barry's score for Jagged Edge.

    Very cool, I'll have to look into Jagged Edge.
  • Agent_99Agent_99 enjoys a spirited ride as much as the next girl
    Posts: 3,181
    Milovy wrote: »
    Agent_99 wrote: »
    OH MAN. Now I really want to know how the movie played out.
    In my mind, the basic plot is that a mission goes wrong in Japan and Bond is captured, then finds an unexpected ally in an American woman played by Andrea Parker (probably not an agent, as Pam was an American agent in LTK). I'm not sure who would play the villain. John Lone perhaps?

    Definitely one for my fantasy Dalton timeline, along with Proper Moonraker. Another big thanks and well done for putting this together!
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Jagged Edge is a great film.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    Someone pointed out that Dalton's Bond didn't get any big introduction in his films. Even as late as his third film Craig's Bond walks out of the shadows and we see his eyes (Skyfall). In LTK we see Bond squashed up in the back of a car.

    This advert has him lurking in the shadows with neon signs flashing above. Audiences needed to see Bond as this man/superman figure who is always a step ahead of the bad guys. Bond half in the shadows lighting a cigarette - Glen never captured an image like that, not once.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    As EON had announced the preproduction of B17 back in the early 1990s does anyone know if they had a director lined up?
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited June 2017 Posts: 13,999
    Didn't they ask Renny Harlin (Die Hard 2, Cliffhanger and er.... Driven)? Who said he would like to direct a Bond film, but not one with Dalton as Bond. Ouch! They could have kept it in house like Hunt and Glen.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Renny Harlin was asked to direct GoldenEye if I recall correctly.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Yes pretty sure Harlin came a few years later.

    Perhaps they were just intending to stick with Glen.

    Although they changed writers didn't they?
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    NicNac wrote: »
    Someone pointed out that Dalton's Bond didn't get any big introduction in his films. Even as late as his third film Craig's Bond walks out of the shadows and we see his eyes (Skyfall). In LTK we see Bond squashed up in the back of a car.

    This advert has him lurking in the shadows with neon signs flashing above. Audiences needed to see Bond as this man/superman figure who is always a step ahead of the bad guys. Bond half in the shadows lighting a cigarette - Glen never captured an image like that, not once.

    Dalton has one of the best intros in TLD, a superb dramatic shot of him turning to fellow agents scream. He lools amazing!. Glen does a great job here.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Totally agree. Bond's intro in TLD is awesome.

    By LTK he's established.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Dalton probably would have hit his stride with his third Bond. A shame, really.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Another good one.
  • GetafixGetafix
    edited September 2017 Posts: 11,425
    Milovy wrote: »
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    Given how hard is is to get suitable clips of Dalton from the early 1990's, that was excellent. =D> While I have not seen it, only clips, 'Framed' from 1992 might yield some Bond#17 trailer potential.
    Glad you liked it! Indeed, Framed was the source for all shots of Dalton in the teaser for My Enemy's Enemy.

    Here's a scene from Dalton's third Bond film. Just kidding, it's just a cigarette ad from the early '90s. Shot by the director of Highlander and The Shadow.



    Although it's a complete cheese fest, the ad gives Dalton such presence, really makes him look cool. Just like Martin Campbell did for Brosnan in GoldenEye's PTS. People always say Dalton didn't have presence, or that "star" quality - I say it's because he wasn't shot well by John Glen, who is so devoid of style. And people then blame Dalton for the way he was presented. If Roger Moore had only ever done movies with Glen, people would probably say the same thing about him, too, but Moore had a chance to establish himself as Bond in LALD, TSWLM, etc. in the '70s. The way Bond is shot in LTK, the film seems completely disinterested in him as a character (less so in TLD). Dalton should have had a chance to work with a better director.

    Glen is unfairly maligned but it would have been good to see Dalton work with another director as Bond.

    Mendes perhaps...
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
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    Regarding Bond, more than anything else, I so wish there had been a third Dalton film, especially a noirish one like My Enemy's Enemy. If I had the money and the connections, I'd make one today myself, a Bond film in all but name, starring Dalton as Jerome Beaumont or something like that. I'd be so grateful for its existence that I'd even pay to watch it in theaters, even though I would've been the damn producer. But since that is not going to happen, all I can hope for is that the Bond producers eventually make a Japan set, Black Rain inspired Bond film. That would be something incredibly exciting.

    @Milovy where is that footage of the lady with the flashlight from? (Andrea Parker, you say?)
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,999
    Getafix wrote: »
    Milovy wrote: »
    MajorDSmythe wrote: »
    Given how hard is is to get suitable clips of Dalton from the early 1990's, that was excellent. =D> While I have not seen it, only clips, 'Framed' from 1992 might yield some Bond#17 trailer potential.
    Glad you liked it! Indeed, Framed was the source for all shots of Dalton in the teaser for My Enemy's Enemy.

    Here's a scene from Dalton's third Bond film. Just kidding, it's just a cigarette ad from the early '90s. Shot by the director of Highlander and The Shadow.



    Although it's a complete cheese fest, the ad gives Dalton such presence, really makes him look cool. Just like Martin Campbell did for Brosnan in GoldenEye's PTS. People always say Dalton didn't have presence, or that "star" quality - I say it's because he wasn't shot well by John Glen, who is so devoid of style. And people then blame Dalton for the way he was presented. If Roger Moore had only ever done movies with Glen, people would probably say the same thing about him, too, but Moore had a chance to establish himself as Bond in LALD, TSWLM, etc. in the '70s. The way Bond is shot in LTK, the film seems completely disinterested in him as a character (less so in TLD). Dalton should have had a chance to work with a better director.

    Glen is unfairly maligned but it would have been good to see Dalton work with another director as Bond.

    Mendes perhaps...

    Mendes shouldn't have been let near a Bond film, not even as the tea boy. But 5 consecutive films from Glen was enough, Bond #17 with Dalton, would have needed a new director, preferably someone from the Bond family.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Ridley Scott doing his Black Rain thing - awesome
  • MilovyMilovy
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    @Milovy where is that footage of the lady with the flashlight from? (Andrea Parker, you say?)
    The Pretender. NBC TV show from the '90s.
  • ChriskarrChriskarr Spain
    edited March 2018 Posts: 46
    Milovy wrote: »
    mattjoes wrote: »
    @Milovy where is that footage of the lady with the flashlight from? (Andrea Parker, you say?)
    The Pretender. NBC TV show from the '90s.

    Good work @Milovy, it's great. If you had the resources and time, you could even make the whole movie.
  • Klaus_DobermanKlaus_Doberman
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    It is indeed a fantastic trailer @Milovy - so good in fact that it inspired me to have a crack at creating a full-length, Dalton-starring Bond 17. Despite the fact that I've never edited anything before in my life.

    So here it is. The product of many, many lockdown hours on iMovie. It's, er... a bit rough around the edges. But it's the best I could do.

    Timothy Dalton stars as Ian Fleming's James Bond 007 in 1993's Property of a Lady. Co-starring Anthony Hopkins, Catherine Zeta Jones, Jeffrey Wright and Judi Dench. Based, in the loosest sense of the word, on Alfonso Ruggerio and Michael G Wilson's script treatment. Music by David Arnold.



    Might be of interest to Dalton fans, if nothing else.
  • ggl007ggl007 www.archivo007.com Spain, España
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    That's a huge work! Congratulations!
  • Klaus_DobermanKlaus_Doberman
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    Thanks @ggl007. Not sure I'll be getting a job as a filmmaker at any point soon, but it's kept me busy while we've been stuck at home.
  • ChriskarrChriskarr Spain
    edited May 2020 Posts: 46
    An incredible job. There is no doubt that you have approached to the original draft with the audiovisual material that exists, even increasing the robot theme that appeared in the draft.
    I wish there was more audiovisual material to get even closer to the script.
    Have you considered doing Goldeneye with Timothy Dalton and with the script by Michael France?
  • Klaus_DobermanKlaus_Doberman
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    That’s very kind @Chriskarr. Yeah I tried to get as close as possible with what’s already available.

    As for the Michael France Goldeneye, that’s a really interesting idea. Though I feel like I need a bit of a break from iMovie for a while first!
  • Herr_StockmannHerr_Stockmann
    edited May 2020 Posts: 910
    Klaus_Doberman wrote: »
    Though I feel like I need a bit of a break from iMovie for a while first!
    I dare not imagine the time it must have taken you! Despite the obvious limitations posed by such a project, the end result remains impressive and fascinating. Congratulations! The obvious restriction is the lack of material from the time, but you have successfully circumvented this constraint, once again congratulations!

    Also, congratulations to @Milovy for his trailer. I wonder if you had other narrative elements in mind while editing this video.
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