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Yeah I don't get that either.
The genius behind The Three Amigos and The Honey I Shrunk The Kids TV show thought Bond was beneath him? Good, bloody grief.
He does speak highly of Dalton, and met him, and seems to have got on well with Cubby.
I was more amused about novelist Anthony Burgess involvement with EON. He came up with a story about The Pope being kidnapped!!🤣
MGW: "Well, he got three people killed on a film set, including two minors who were employed in violation of child labor laws."
Cubby: "Right, okay. What's Ted Kotcheff been doing?"
That's how the conversation should have gone.
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I have yet to listen to the Reunion with Death podcast, but the Wilson-Ruggiero treatment is pretty cool. Given the nature of the story, the idea of the girl who turns out to be a robot is not entirely out of place, though it's clearly too fantastical for a Bond film, even in a franchise in which there have been space lazer (sic) battles.
Agreed.
But the third script that has surfaced in recent years, with robots and an actual cyborg henchwoman sounded worse than DAD.
Buried in the vault at Eon, for possible use in future films.
https://propstoreauction.com/view-auctions/catalog/id/26/lot/3381/JAMES-BOND-BOND-17-Draft-Screenplay
As for my what if dream third Dalton scenario:
Timothy Dalton as James Bond in THE SCREAM OF A ROSE
Written by Richard Maibaum (one last hurrah before his passing)
Edited by Peter Hunt (he returned to editing in the early 90’s)
Score by John Barry (coming off his Dances with Wolves success)
Title song by Depeche Mode (coming off their landmark Violator and to be honest they should have done a Bond theme years ago)
Directed by John Frankenheimer (one of the truly great directors who was experiencing a comeback that began on 52 Pick Up and would culminate in Ronin. He knew how to do action, spy dramas and generate phenomenal performances.)
Thinking of this with Dalton in the lead makes me weep at the what could have beens.
That title could be an adaptation of John Gardner's Never Send Flowers (1993). Dalton would've been perfect for that one. 💐 ;)
I like your thinking, (especially Depeche Mode!) but, as a huge fan of John Frankenheimar, i dont think he would have been a right fit for Bond!
Without being myself a big fan of this director, while liking many of his movies (Birdman of Alcatraz, The Manchurian Candidate, Black Sunday), it seems to me that at the end of the 80s, he seemed as a perfect candidate to take up the torch from John Glen. Between The Holcroft Covenant and The Fourth War, he was still in a spy thriller mood and, as his experience, even if unfortunate, on The Island of Dr. Moreau will show, he was ready to direct a blockbuster.
It's probably for the Controversial thread, but I think Dalton and Glen were the most mismatched duo of the whole franchise and Dalton needed a more character driven director.
It's not as if Dalton's performances in either of his films were short on character though. Given how limited the budgets and resources were, Glen worked well with what he was given. The nadir of his direction was AVTAK, and he evidently revitalized by working with a new Bond. Given how soulless and mechanical TND was, I don't think someone like Roger Spottiswoode would have been a better choice.
It's probably for the
I don't think Glen and Dalton played on each other's strengths. And, while Glen could direct action scenes very well, for some unknown reasons Dalton comes off as rather weak in a fist fight. Mooreay have been an unconvincing fighter, but his Bond is depicted as a capable one. Dalton looks naturally far more menacing, but he does not deliver as a man you'd expect to be fully trained in close combat. Maybe it's not Glen's fault, but it always baffled me that he could not make Dalton a better fighter as Bond.
It always rankles with me when people complain that Craig is praised for doing what Dalton did twenty years before, but to me Craig has a real physical presence and I believe he really can beat everyone in a room to a pulp, as well as having that hugely confident swagger that just is what being James Bond means. Neither of which Dalton brought to it, if you ask me.
I don't hate him, I happily his watch his films, but I can see how the other Bonds were stronger. If he'd somehow played it in '62 in the first film I don't think the series would have lasted.
Yes, they are fun films. But why would Bond be beneath someone that made them.
I could understand Terence Malik or Martin Scorsese saying something like that, but not someone who has a somewhat daft, if enjoyable, resume.
This I do agree on. Tim wasn't much of a fighter, no better than Moore. Lazenby, Craig, Connery and even Pierce have him beat in that regard.
No, that's not fair. Take a look at his body of work. Under Fire, for example, is excellent and very interesting. The problem he had with TND was a lack of a coherent script at the start.
Well a few of those films are pretty much viewed as classics and he was writing some of them; a Bond film might feel like a bit cookie cutter/production line job next to those.
What I don't understand is that around the same time he played a menacing and charming villain in The Rocketeer.