NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - First Reactions vs. Current Reactions

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  • SeveSeve The island of Lemoy
    edited October 2021 Posts: 422
    It was the story they wanted to tell. We have 24 examples of Bond not dying at the end, why not one where he does. The next Bond film, if and when it happens, will just be another James Bond story like they all are.
    The DC films were their own entity, and I imagine they’ll go back to more episodic films in the future of the franchise.

    Lol, you make dying sound about as consequential as Bond choosing to wear a different coloured tie!

    I know that is what is going to happen, and we will all deal with it and move on

    But IMO it's still a "Crank - High Voltage" level crazy idea
  • Posts: 7,430
    Still digesting the movie so I’ll break it down into pros and cons:

    Pros:
    -The movie is colorful! Lovely cinematography all around
    -The PTS was nice and intense. Not as good as Skyfall or Casino Royale’s but I dug it quite a bit.
    -I enjoyed the title sequence as well, apart from the dull section where he’s just showing faces again.
    -the movie up through the Cuba section is a lot of fun. It really feels like classic Bond to me. Lovely locations, playful humor but not too silly (Waldo aside) and some decent action.
    -Sound design is really good. The explosion impacting Bond’s hearing, the growling engines in the Norwegian woods, the crash of the waves at Safin’s base. A lot of really cool stuff.
    -The square scene with the DB5 and the one take stairwell sequence are very solid action scenes.
    -Safin’s base is super cool.
    -The retuning players from Spectre give better performances.
    -The score was really good. I liked it listening to it isolated but it works even better in context. Not as good as Arnold’s stuff but I preferred it to Newman’s.
    -Paloma was a fun character
    -Craig was good, even if he sounded like he wasn’t using the same accent as the previous films.

    Con’s:
    -M being a total incompetent, and the fight he had with Bond was odd.
    -Everything in London was more or less awful. Just gobs and gobs of exposition that killed the movie’s pace in its tracks.
    -Waldo’s poor comedic relief was grating. I did like his death though.
    -The henchman was disappointing. Didn’t do anything memorable and I don’t think we even got his name. Ash was given more to do than he was.
    -Most of the action was thoroughly unremarkable.
    -Safin was completely bungled. They had him give a whole villain speech and he still couldn’t explain what he was doing or why.
    -The stuff with Bond’s daughter and his death and the very ending was wayyyyy too sentimental. Cloying music, tearful dialogue. C’mon, we don’t need this sort of ham in a Bond film.
    -The story was trying to do WAY too much, and ended up just being totally muddled by the end of it. They should have had a much simpler narrative, and just shouldn’t have even bothered connecting it to Spectre.

    Overall very mixed on the film, a lot more negative than positive feelings right now unfortunately. I think I liked it more than Spectre but not by much which is surprising to me.

    Very good review! Think its pretty much on the money! Whats good is very good, but its weighed down by a lot of bad stuff!
    I presume that's Primo you are talking about, re henchman. I couldnt agree more, think he had zero screen presence, lousy bad guy!
  • LizWLizW England
    Posts: 30
    Ludovico wrote: »
    pachazo wrote: »
    Unfortunately, I think there is going to be some confusion on the part of the general public. I had to have a conversation with my girlfriend after the movie about how there can be another James Bind movie if he's dead. She has watched all the films with me (some more than once, she's a great sport, love her) but she still didn't get it. Anyone else have this problem with friends or family members who aren't as into it as us?

    But there's ALWAYS a confusion in the public. People think James Bond is a codename, they don't know it was first a series of novel, etc. Heck, I'm sure you can find a few people thinking James Bond is a British spy stealing from the rich to give to the poor, living at 221B Baker Street and who got his 00 status by pulling a sword from a stone.

    That is an EPIC comment. Thank you. I'm sure you're right, too.

  • Posts: 3,333
    Luds wrote: »
    So I saw it tonight. I really enjoyed the film, the story and the acting, the references to previous movies. During the ending I was a bit emotional, I enjoyed the whole surprise with Mathilde and Swann being Bond's new Tracy. The whole OHMSS vibe and score was well done, and when the end credits started I suddenly felt angry and left the theater before they ended, didn't see if there was a Bond will return message, but now I read that there was. How dare they mess-up with Bond, right? Hard to fathom how the story could continue.

    I was listening to various people's reaction. Things like "... so that's how they want to force us to accept this black girl as the new star, by killing Bonf off" and "No choice now they have to reboot again otherwise I'm done with the series without Bond". All that got me thinking. Seriously, would the producers really consider moving away from James Bond's character and continue the series without him? Are they this Woke? That's more than a small risk, it's flirting with disaster. Not that it couldn't work mind you, but seriously, I'm having a hard time seeing this as a real possibility.

    So my money would be on a reboot, doesn't have to be an origin story like CR though. Anyhow, Had not gone to the theater since I took my kid to Frozen 2! I'm going again to Dune in a few weeks. I bet I won't be as shocked with this one as with NTTD! I've become quite a Dune fan since first posting in KTBEU, but anyhow, it was nice to go to the theater even if on the frikkin first Saturday of a Bond release there were at most 40 people in there. I could hear positive reactions throughout the flick, but after the ending, all I was hearing were negative reactions. If we're heading towards a reboot though, was the killing of Bond really necessary? Certainly has a different taste than having the lovely family end happy and leave in the sunset.
    Good to see you finally back @Luds, albeit too fleetingly. Many here won't remember what a big cheese you used to be on KTBEU and the early days of MI6, but I do kind of miss that tuxedoed image of Clive Owen not popping up every day on the forums. For the record, I don't think you're wrong for expressing your opinions about the ending. I too am rather ambivalent towards it.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    Still surprising to me that people would think this means the end of the series. Or that Nomi is being pushed into definitely starring as the next Bond.
  • RyanRyan Canada
    Posts: 692
    Still surprising to me that people would think this means the end of the series. Or that Nomi is being pushed into definitely starring as the next Bond.

    I agree. To my eyes the film did not give any indication of a female Bond, code name theory, etc...

    I think a lot of the comments might be from casual fans misinterpreting the ending and recalling that initial press about the female 007. From personal experience, I still have friends tell me that Tom Hardy or Idris Elba are going to be the next Bond - insisting it as a hard fact because they read it somewhere.

    I do think most of us know it simply ended the Craig story and we will no doubt just reboot again in a few years time.
  • Posts: 6,709
    bondsum wrote: »
    Luds wrote: »
    So I saw it tonight. I really enjoyed the film, the story and the acting, the references to previous movies. During the ending I was a bit emotional, I enjoyed the whole surprise with Mathilde and Swann being Bond's new Tracy. The whole OHMSS vibe and score was well done, and when the end credits started I suddenly felt angry and left the theater before they ended, didn't see if there was a Bond will return message, but now I read that there was. How dare they mess-up with Bond, right? Hard to fathom how the story could continue.

    I was listening to various people's reaction. Things like "... so that's how they want to force us to accept this black girl as the new star, by killing Bonf off" and "No choice now they have to reboot again otherwise I'm done with the series without Bond". All that got me thinking. Seriously, would the producers really consider moving away from James Bond's character and continue the series without him? Are they this Woke? That's more than a small risk, it's flirting with disaster. Not that it couldn't work mind you, but seriously, I'm having a hard time seeing this as a real possibility.

    So my money would be on a reboot, doesn't have to be an origin story like CR though. Anyhow, Had not gone to the theater since I took my kid to Frozen 2! I'm going again to Dune in a few weeks. I bet I won't be as shocked with this one as with NTTD! I've become quite a Dune fan since first posting in KTBEU, but anyhow, it was nice to go to the theater even if on the frikkin first Saturday of a Bond release there were at most 40 people in there. I could hear positive reactions throughout the flick, but after the ending, all I was hearing were negative reactions. If we're heading towards a reboot though, was the killing of Bond really necessary? Certainly has a different taste than having the lovely family end happy and leave in the sunset.
    Good to see you finally back @Luds, albeit too fleetingly. Many here won't remember what a big cheese you used to be on KTBEU and the early days of MI6, but I do kind of miss that tuxedoed image of Clive Owen not popping up every day on the forums. For the record, I don't think you're wrong for expressing your opinions about the ending. I too am rather ambivalent towards it.

    Yeah, moreover, whatever you do, @Luds, don't go away again ok? You have no idea how you're needed again around here ;)
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
    Posts: 9,041
    Still surprising to me that people would think this means the end of the series. Or that Nomi is being pushed into definitely starring as the next Bond.

    Nomi's not going to be the one. The announcement is that "James Bond will be back", not "007".
  • Mathis1 wrote: »
    Still digesting the movie so I’ll break it down into pros and cons:

    Pros:
    -The movie is colorful! Lovely cinematography all around
    -The PTS was nice and intense. Not as good as Skyfall or Casino Royale’s but I dug it quite a bit.
    -I enjoyed the title sequence as well, apart from the dull section where he’s just showing faces again.
    -the movie up through the Cuba section is a lot of fun. It really feels like classic Bond to me. Lovely locations, playful humor but not too silly (Waldo aside) and some decent action.
    -Sound design is really good. The explosion impacting Bond’s hearing, the growling engines in the Norwegian woods, the crash of the waves at Safin’s base. A lot of really cool stuff.
    -The square scene with the DB5 and the one take stairwell sequence are very solid action scenes.
    -Safin’s base is super cool.
    -The retuning players from Spectre give better performances.
    -The score was really good. I liked it listening to it isolated but it works even better in context. Not as good as Arnold’s stuff but I preferred it to Newman’s.
    -Paloma was a fun character
    -Craig was good, even if he sounded like he wasn’t using the same accent as the previous films.

    Con’s:
    -M being a total incompetent, and the fight he had with Bond was odd.
    -Everything in London was more or less awful. Just gobs and gobs of exposition that killed the movie’s pace in its tracks.
    -Waldo’s poor comedic relief was grating. I did like his death though.
    -The henchman was disappointing. Didn’t do anything memorable and I don’t think we even got his name. Ash was given more to do than he was.
    -Most of the action was thoroughly unremarkable.
    -Safin was completely bungled. They had him give a whole villain speech and he still couldn’t explain what he was doing or why.
    -The stuff with Bond’s daughter and his death and the very ending was wayyyyy too sentimental. Cloying music, tearful dialogue. C’mon, we don’t need this sort of ham in a Bond film.
    -The story was trying to do WAY too much, and ended up just being totally muddled by the end of it. They should have had a much simpler narrative, and just shouldn’t have even bothered connecting it to Spectre.

    Overall very mixed on the film, a lot more negative than positive feelings right now unfortunately. I think I liked it more than Spectre but not by much which is surprising to me.

    Very good review! Think its pretty much on the money! Whats good is very good, but its weighed down by a lot of bad stuff!
    I presume that's Primo you are talking about, re henchman. I couldnt agree more, think he had zero screen presence, lousy bad guy!

    Yeah, Primo. It’s weird they gave him the eyeball gimmick and then didn’t do anything with it besides his death. His two fights with Bond were so brief as well.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    edited October 2021 Posts: 12,480
    Of course, Nomi will not be Bond. But a few people DO seem to think so. And my point is that I cannot understand how anybody, even a casual fan, would think that after leaving NTTD.
  • Posts: 631
    Ludovico wrote: »
    pachazo wrote: »
    Unfortunately, I think there is going to be some confusion on the part of the general public. I had to have a conversation with my girlfriend after the movie about how there can be another James Bind movie if he's dead. She has watched all the films with me (some more than once, she's a great sport, love her) but she still didn't get it. Anyone else have this problem with friends or family members who aren't as into it as us?

    But there's ALWAYS a confusion in the public. People think James Bond is a codename, they don't know it was first a series of novel, etc. Heck, I'm sure you can find a few people thinking James Bond is a British spy stealing from the rich to give to the poor, living at 221B Baker Street and who got his 00 status by pulling a sword from a stone.

    Yes the public are largely clueless.

    In a few years time they won’t even remember he’s dead. “Did he die in the last one? Or was that Harrison Ford? I can’t remember now.”

  • Posts: 631
    Still surprising to me that people would think this means the end of the series. Or that Nomi is being pushed into definitely starring as the next Bond.

    I’m absolutely baffled by it. It’s like they’ve never before seen a film that completely disregards its predecessor in a series.

    IMO B26 will make no reference to Madeleine or Craig’s death. It will have Bond on a mission, there will be a woman and a villain, there will be M and a gadget or two and a big theme song and a PTS.

    A few fans will argue about “eh what continuity timeline is this?” but Eon will ignore them and just continue to bank all the money
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,551
    Still surprising to me that people would think this means the end of the series. Or that Nomi is being pushed into definitely starring as the next Bond.

    I’m absolutely baffled by it. It’s like they’ve never before seen a film that completely disregards its predecessor in a series.

    IMO B26 will make no reference to Madeleine or Craig’s death. It will have Bond on a mission, there will be a woman and a villain, there will be M and a gadget or two and a big theme song and a PTS.

    A few fans will argue about “eh what continuity timeline is this?” but Eon will ignore them and just continue to bank all the money

    100% agree
  • Just got home after watching it for the third time. It just gets better and better each time i see it. The scene where Bond and Madeleine drive into Matera is such a beautiful experience with the stunning location and the gorgeous music. I could watch that scene a zillion times and never tire of it. I've said it before, but i love Paloma, she is such a fun, lovely character. I wish she had more screen time, but she certainly makes an impact with what she has. After seeing the film for the first time, i thought that Craig's performance was on par with CR - but the more i see of NTTD, i actually think that this is his best performance. He's so human. I've totally warmed to Madeleine and on a few occasions i felt like i wanted to give her a hug. I feel as though i've just sat through a two hour film, it flew by and i just know i'll be making a trip to the cinema again pretty soon. An outstanding film.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    Posts: 3,152
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I can easily see this Bond as more of a recluse to be honest. He doesn't strike me as a people person.

    Indeed - although, that's part of CraigBond's appeal for me, tbh!

    Same here. I like the loner Bond.
    Absolutely. 'Friend of yours?' - 'I don't have any friends.'
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    I am glad you find it rewarding, @LeonJames22. I do. I've seen it three times now, as of yesterday.
  • RyanRyan Canada
    Posts: 692
    Still surprising to me that people would think this means the end of the series. Or that Nomi is being pushed into definitely starring as the next Bond.

    I’m absolutely baffled by it. It’s like they’ve never before seen a film that completely disregards its predecessor in a series.
    A very timely note considering we're about to get the sequel to 2018's Halloween which ignored literally decades of other sequels. That's been quite a trend lately in film so why people are confused that Bond isn't able to do the same is indeed baffling.

    Not to mention - Bond has done it before, and can do so again.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
    Posts: 942
    There have been films that have ignored previous sequels, there have been films that have rebooted with a new actor in the role with a new timeline, but generally there have been obvious reasons, usually a very badly received film leading to a change of people behind the scenes. I think only Batman has done something similar.

    In the case of this Bond, they have made such a big thing about Bond dying, taking it so seriously and milking it in the film for all it's worth, I think there are a lot of people that can't believe that the same production team would just turn around and start a new Bond sequence almost immediately. It kind of cheapens the death.
  • FeyadorFeyador Montreal, Canada
    Posts: 735
    My impression from what Safin said to Bond was that he was trying to make the world a better place by killing-off people he felt were problematic. The various intelligence agencies and any other force he felt threatened his plans would obviously be some of the first to go (after his revenge kill of Spectre).

    Safin's motivation seems quite muddy at best. Perhaps with the benefit of future captions/subtitles it will be clearer to me, but I tend to think not. That speech about "free will" made little sense, at least to me, but then maybe I missed something.

    Nevertheless, it almost doesn't matter. The mere fact that Safin was in possession of such a weapon, while near the moment of disseminating it to unnamed others, both amidst what was becoming a full-blown international incident, was reason enough for the urgency in blowing up his island.
  • I am glad you find it rewarding, @LeonJames22. I do. I've seen it three times now, as of yesterday.

    I'm glad you enjoy the film too. A lot of people were praising the film as we were walking out of the cinema tonight.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,416
    Ludovico wrote: »
    pachazo wrote: »
    Unfortunately, I think there is going to be some confusion on the part of the general public. I had to have a conversation with my girlfriend after the movie about how there can be another James Bind movie if he's dead. She has watched all the films with me (some more than once, she's a great sport, love her) but she still didn't get it. Anyone else have this problem with friends or family members who aren't as into it as us?

    But there's ALWAYS a confusion in the public. People think James Bond is a codename, they don't know it was first a series of novel, etc. Heck, I'm sure you can find a few people thinking James Bond is a British spy stealing from the rich to give to the poor, living at 221B Baker Street and who got his 00 status by pulling a sword from a stone.

    :))
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2021 Posts: 16,416
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Still digesting the movie so I’ll break it down into pros and cons:

    Pros:
    -The movie is colorful! Lovely cinematography all around
    -The PTS was nice and intense. Not as good as Skyfall or Casino Royale’s but I dug it quite a bit.
    -I enjoyed the title sequence as well, apart from the dull section where he’s just showing faces again.
    -the movie up through the Cuba section is a lot of fun. It really feels like classic Bond to me. Lovely locations, playful humor but not too silly (Waldo aside) and some decent action.
    -Sound design is really good. The explosion impacting Bond’s hearing, the growling engines in the Norwegian woods, the crash of the waves at Safin’s base. A lot of really cool stuff.
    -The square scene with the DB5 and the one take stairwell sequence are very solid action scenes.
    -Safin’s base is super cool.
    -The retuning players from Spectre give better performances.
    -The score was really good. I liked it listening to it isolated but it works even better in context. Not as good as Arnold’s stuff but I preferred it to Newman’s.
    -Paloma was a fun character
    -Craig was good, even if he sounded like he wasn’t using the same accent as the previous films.

    Con’s:
    -M being a total incompetent, and the fight he had with Bond was odd.
    -Everything in London was more or less awful. Just gobs and gobs of exposition that killed the movie’s pace in its tracks.
    -Waldo’s poor comedic relief was grating. I did like his death though.
    -The henchman was disappointing. Didn’t do anything memorable and I don’t think we even got his name. Ash was given more to do than he was.
    -Most of the action was thoroughly unremarkable.
    -Safin was completely bungled. They had him give a whole villain speech and he still couldn’t explain what he was doing or why.
    -The stuff with Bond’s daughter and his death and the very ending was wayyyyy too sentimental. Cloying music, tearful dialogue. C’mon, we don’t need this sort of ham in a Bond film.
    -The story was trying to do WAY too much, and ended up just being totally muddled by the end of it. They should have had a much simpler narrative, and just shouldn’t have even bothered connecting it to Spectre.

    Overall very mixed on the film, a lot more negative than positive feelings right now unfortunately. I think I liked it more than Spectre but not by much which is surprising to me.

    Very good review! Think its pretty much on the money! Whats good is very good, but its weighed down by a lot of bad stuff!
    I presume that's Primo you are talking about, re henchman. I couldnt agree more, think he had zero screen presence, lousy bad guy!

    Yeah, Primo. It’s weird they gave him the eyeball gimmick and then didn’t do anything with it besides his death. His two fights with Bond were so brief as well.

    That's a good point; what did his eye actually do apart from work as a camera? That's not hugely evil in itself, it's like a baddie having a quirk of a hearing aid.
    Still surprising to me that people would think this means the end of the series. Or that Nomi is being pushed into definitely starring as the next Bond.

    I’m absolutely baffled by it. It’s like they’ve never before seen a film that completely disregards its predecessor in a series.

    Yes it's bonkers. It's like: do you remember how Tobey Maguire was Spider Man and then Andrew Garfield was? Or how Christian Bale was Batman, faked his death and stopped being Batman, but then Ben Affleck was Batman? It's that.
    After seeing the film for the first time, i thought that Craig's performance was on par with CR - but the more i see of NTTD, i actually think that this is his best performance. He's so human.

    Yes I would say it's his strongest performance. If CR was Bafta-nom worthy, I would say this is.
  • 00Heaven00Heaven Home
    Posts: 575
    mtm wrote: »
    Mathis1 wrote: »
    Still digesting the movie so I’ll break it down into pros and cons:

    Pros:
    -The movie is colorful! Lovely cinematography all around
    -The PTS was nice and intense. Not as good as Skyfall or Casino Royale’s but I dug it quite a bit.
    -I enjoyed the title sequence as well, apart from the dull section where he’s just showing faces again.
    -the movie up through the Cuba section is a lot of fun. It really feels like classic Bond to me. Lovely locations, playful humor but not too silly (Waldo aside) and some decent action.
    -Sound design is really good. The explosion impacting Bond’s hearing, the growling engines in the Norwegian woods, the crash of the waves at Safin’s base. A lot of really cool stuff.
    -The square scene with the DB5 and the one take stairwell sequence are very solid action scenes.
    -Safin’s base is super cool.
    -The retuning players from Spectre give better performances.
    -The score was really good. I liked it listening to it isolated but it works even better in context. Not as good as Arnold’s stuff but I preferred it to Newman’s.
    -Paloma was a fun character
    -Craig was good, even if he sounded like he wasn’t using the same accent as the previous films.

    Con’s:
    -M being a total incompetent, and the fight he had with Bond was odd.
    -Everything in London was more or less awful. Just gobs and gobs of exposition that killed the movie’s pace in its tracks.
    -Waldo’s poor comedic relief was grating. I did like his death though.
    -The henchman was disappointing. Didn’t do anything memorable and I don’t think we even got his name. Ash was given more to do than he was.
    -Most of the action was thoroughly unremarkable.
    -Safin was completely bungled. They had him give a whole villain speech and he still couldn’t explain what he was doing or why.
    -The stuff with Bond’s daughter and his death and the very ending was wayyyyy too sentimental. Cloying music, tearful dialogue. C’mon, we don’t need this sort of ham in a Bond film.
    -The story was trying to do WAY too much, and ended up just being totally muddled by the end of it. They should have had a much simpler narrative, and just shouldn’t have even bothered connecting it to Spectre.

    Overall very mixed on the film, a lot more negative than positive feelings right now unfortunately. I think I liked it more than Spectre but not by much which is surprising to me.

    Very good review! Think its pretty much on the money! Whats good is very good, but its weighed down by a lot of bad stuff!
    I presume that's Primo you are talking about, re henchman. I couldnt agree more, think he had zero screen presence, lousy bad guy!

    Yeah, Primo. It’s weird they gave him the eyeball gimmick and then didn’t do anything with it besides his death. His two fights with Bond were so brief as well.

    That's a good point; what did his eye actually do apart from work as a camera? That's not hugely evil in itself, it's like a baddie having a quirk of a hearing aid.

    Pardon?
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,304
    Stop touching your ear!
  • FeyadorFeyador Montreal, Canada
    edited October 2021 Posts: 735
    SharkBait wrote: »
    They killed Mathis, M and Leiter, so killing Bond in Craig's last movie wouldn't be out of the question I thought.

    Exactly so ...

    ... there's been a semi-realistic sense of deathward trajectory from CR onwards, including Vesper herself and Bond's line about 00s having a short life expectancy, of course. It's even hinted at in the Matera scene, in the car, when Madeleine has to beg him to do something. And Bond responds, barely able to mutter the word, and absolutely devastated by her supposed betrayal, "OK" ... as if for a single moment he contemplated doing nothing.

    It's in this concern with mortality (and the consequences of one's actions) that the ending of NTTD makes both emotional & thematic sense, and where we might find the consistency so lacking in some of the plot points over the arc of Craig films.

  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    Posts: 8,188
    AstonLotus wrote: »

    Ah, the usual fandom menace pricks. I can guess what’s in it without clicking the video and giving it a hit. Let me guess, it’s “woke” because Bond only has sex with one woman (funnily this has already happened before NTTD) and that it features a black woman with the 007 designation.

    OH NOES!

    Aston, you appear to at least have a semblance of intelligence so it’s kind of sad that you fall for this incel crap.
  • Ah, that nerdrotic goat is always crying about Doctor Who and now he's beeyotching about Bond.
  • RyanRyan Canada
    Posts: 692
    There have been films that have ignored previous sequels, there have been films that have rebooted with a new actor in the role with a new timeline, but generally there have been obvious reasons, usually a very badly received film leading to a change of people behind the scenes. I think only Batman has done something similar.

    In the case of this Bond, they have made such a big thing about Bond dying, taking it so seriously and milking it in the film for all it's worth, I think there are a lot of people that can't believe that the same production team would just turn around and start a new Bond sequence almost immediately. It kind of cheapens the death.

    It's not like we'll be getting a new Bond film first thing next year or anything, so I disagree that it cheapens anything. We're likely several years away from the next Bond/Bond film. As such, his death will remain exclusive to the arc of Daniel Craig's five films whether the public remembers that or not. Okay, it's unlike anything else previously in the series, but this was the first time a Bond actor has had all his films be so intricately connected.

    Ultimately, whether you liked NTTD or not, we certainly all know that the character is going to return. Craig's version of Bond is dead, but I don't think moving in a different direction with a new actor cheapens anything.
  • marcmarc Universal Exports
    Posts: 2,610
    Matt519007 wrote: »
    Now to the elephant in the room-Death. Three cornerstone characters (Blofeld, Felix and Bond) all pass in this film.
    And you didn't even mention Dou Dou. 🙂
  • RyanRyan Canada
    Posts: 692
    marc wrote: »
    Matt519007 wrote: »
    Now to the elephant in the room-Death. Three cornerstone characters (Blofeld, Felix and Bond) all pass in this film.
    And you didn't even mention Dou Dou. 🙂

    The true tragedy of the film. I like to think that maybe, just maybe, Mathilde later found it floating in the water somewhere.
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