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It's a good point. I also found the Spectre ring in his Norway secret room a bit jarring- I thought that Spectre had taken Quantum over post-QoS.
She's maybe a bit too Cuban to play a British agent! :)
He has some great moments, his first scene is great. But think he gets far too much screentime, and during the climax on the island he becomes a nuisance the film didn't need.
The implication is that Quantum was always a subsidiary of SPECTRE.
I found his persona quite tonally jarring, myself. He was far too clownish.
Yeah I tend to agree. I think tonally he just felt a bit all over the place for me: sometimes he's a funny secondary harmless villain, sometimes he's totally evil. If you look at something like Boris in GE, who was another comedy villain, he had a fairly consistent path through the film and you knew where you were with him and how to react to his scenes. It felt like they couldn't decide what Valdo was in the film. And his death feels a bit unearned to me with a sudden out-of-the-blue moment of racism: if Nomi didn't need him why did she drag him along?
It is, but I didn't get that impression from White's scene in Spectre. The implication there was surely that Spectre was relatively new on the scene and muscled in on Quantum.
I recall Purvis & Wade went onto say they that they regarded Quantum as a branch that focused on operations in South America run by Dominic Greene. When Mr. White was sent to kill Dominic Greene out in the desert, Quantum was effectively shut down.
IMO, anything to deemphasize Quantum is a plus for me, because I absolutely loathe their name (which is only mentioned twice in passing in QOS, interestingly). They should have just left the organization unnamed in QOS so that the revelation of the name SPECTRE would have at least been a smoother transition.
Did it? Not saying you're wrong, I just don't remember that. How so?
Yeah I guess that's quite good. Not sure it totally works with them having a meeting in Austria and also talking about the Canadian agent they're exploiting in Russia etc.
I always thought if they were taking their name from the title then Solace was the creepier word anyway!
Blofeld and White have been colleagues ever since Madeleine was a little girl, which I take it to mean they started forming SPECTRE around that time. There's also the secret room that Bond discovers that shows old equipment from the 90s. Even the VHS tape with Vesper's interrogation written on it suggests they may have had her coerced into working for them for years prior to CR, which actually tracks with the novel's Vesper revealing she had been working for SMERSH for years before meeting Bond.
Probably because it's closer to Blofeld's home. Instead of flying to South America, might as well have Greene conduct a meeting in his home country while enjoying opera.
It's so dumb. By naming them Quantum, that means you can read the title as TERRORIST ORGANIZATION OF COMFORT.
I remember missing the name drops of Quantum back in theaters because they were uttered in such a casual passing note. There's no moment that emphasizes what their name is like how SPECTRE was in both Dr. No and Spectre.
Is there a different thread I should post this in?
I guess he says "he changed" which does imply they've been side by side for a while. Does Blofeld mention her as a girl then?
Sure, I just took all of that to have been the work of Quantum.
I prefer the idea that it was Spectre, though.
Sure, but I mean they're all wearing Q pins and yet discussing operations which aren't just in S America- retconning Quantum to be S America-only doesn't quite match up.
Yes, and actually 'Quantum of Terrorist Organisation' at least makes more sense as it suggests that Bond has only uncovered the smallest part of it!
If you try the NTTD production thread you might find that user @Contraband has one: he's got loads of the images.
Quote ” The climax of the film is riveting and tragic, but it’s not just Craig’s acting or the film’s direction that gives it its power – we are moved because of the vast hinterland of warmth and nostalgia we feel for a character we’ve been watching all our lives. The current film-makers are wantonly expending emotional capital the vast majority of which was earned by other people. A precious resource has been squandered in one attention-grabbing and ultimately miserable moment.
This summed up how I feel far better than I can write.
During the scene with the meteorite Blofeld mentions to Madeleine that he remembered her as a little girl when he came to visit her father.
Exactly.
Thank you @mtm
Yes that's right, I remember now, thanks.
While I need to read through the rest of this if they did this Bond 26 would actually turn No Time to Die (still hate that title) into one of my top 5 bond films...
people ask me how I feel about the new film and I just don't know I really don't.
It has inspired me to write a song called Why do Hero's have to die. but … I still just don't know
I have only seen it once but since Thursday I have been wrestling with the film
The pros
The PTS is amazing
I love the Jamaica stuff
I love the Cuba Stuff (for the most part)
I love some of the London stuff
Malik is extremely creepy
Waltz actually does a good job as Blofeld and his performance here kind of helps me to like his performance Spectre he has no emotion other than hate for Bond he cant get angry or happy or sad he just hates this one guy o much that he is emotionally blank and I kinda like that.
The Norway stuff is great (for the most part)
Even the Climax is good for the most part
this should be top 5 if not top ten but what weighs it down
the cons
1. hate the title and really am pissed The Garden of Death was not the title (did Ian Fleming stipulate they couldn't use chapter titles or something I thought the only thing they couldnt use was the spy who loved me though they did) hell name the Nanovirus Risico and there ya go
2. Bond has practically no sex in the film... Skyfall has a similar issue but I was fine with it for one film but ma... actually now that I think about it Casinoand Spectre are the only films Bod has any kind of sex with 2 girls as even in Quantum...
3. Paloma rejecting Bond that is weird
4. the fact that people around my age in the film are seen as stupid
5. Leiter dying: this bothered me almost as much as the ending he was so good in the Cuba scenes
6. the way Blofeld Died was way to anticlimactic
7. the 007 joke... look it was funny the first time but the moment Bond became a 00 again Noomi should of handed him the 007. the film has her coming off like a bratty chld and Bond comes off as well kind of weak as well. I mean if your going to have a new 007 A) why not use the opportunity to bring in Gala Brand. B) if you are wrapping the themes of Casino Royale why not wrap up the big one that the job isn't for everyone and what you have to give to take a life is a cost many wouldn't and shouldn't have to spend.
8. Bond dying at the end: this was almost comically bad the more I think about it all Q had to say was "look get off the island we will try and figure out a way to make Madeline and Madele immune" there done even if Q is lying it still having them try and save bond instead its like the scene from Friends when Joey's character on days of our lives dies. "Well its the end of the film and end of your tenure time to die Bond."
ok if i had a gun to my head and had to rank all 28 films (adding in Casino Royale 54, 67 and never say never again)
1. Casino Royale
2. From Russia with Love
3. Quantum of Solace
4. License to kill
5. On her majesties Secret Service
6. For your Eyes Only
7. The World is not Enough
8. Octopussy
9. Thunderball
10. The Living Daylights
11. Live and let Die
12. Goldeneye
13. The Spy who Loved Me
14. Dr. No
15. Skyfall
16. Goldfinger (the fact bond does next to nothing in the second half of the film bothers me)
17. Tomorrow Never Dies
18. You Only Live Twice
19. No time to Die
20. The Man with the Golden Gun
21. Spectre
22. Die another Day
23. A view to a Kill
24. Diamonds Are forever
25. Moonraker
26. Casino Royale 54
27. Never say Never Again
28. Casino Royale 67
Next year I plan on trying to see all 25 official films and Casino Royale 54
I get this point of view obviously not for everyone but the end works for me as it's meant to end Craig's Bond storyline and is earned based on this. Craig's performance here elevates the emotional impact for me despite a hero shot that is a bit on the nose. Have we ever had a movie where Bond is playing his age when the actor is older? I know Roger was up there in AVTAK but he was just playing the typical Bond role not someone who is retired who is brought back for a final mission. I'm more open to an ending like this because we're seeing Bond mostly retired and comes back to save the world one last time......this adds to the tragic nature of it.
I wonder if they brought that up in NTTD to give Bond the status to be able to order a missile strike?
Maybe to give him some form of status in retirement and over Nomi when she has his 007
That's a bit dramatic, wouldn't you say?
"Earned by other people?" CR was Barbara and Michael's baby. They built this era while the rest of the world was complaining and nagging about how "Daniel Craig is so not James Bond cuz he ugly". They made CR, QOS, SF and SP happen, all of which were successful, some even hugely successful. They and Craig have earned every right to complete the story as they see fit. And those "other people" may have shaped a legacy, but I don't expect B & W to be standing in front of some tombstones asking for permission to do whatever the hell they want. They don't owe the dead anything, and they don't owe us anything. They have kept the Bond legacy in a pretty good shape. The Craig era has been well-received. Some of these films are rated among the highest of the Bonds. And the conclusion of NTTD doesn't take anything away from that. Those "other people" would be proud of where the series is now, I'm sure.
Likewise, "a precious resource has been squandered"? What, it's all in the toilet now? Another Bond film doesn't stand a chance because people will neither forgive nor forget that this one Bond has died? Seriously? So this one moment squanders a precious resource but the whole of DAD didn't? Wow.
I generally like Mitchell, but this little piece doesn't strike me as particularly clever.
His rank is also brought up in Skyfall when Dench is writing his obituary.
I think Vesper just incorrectly assumed he was SAS, rather than that actually being part of Craig Bond’s background.
When CR was launched, Sony actually put on the website Craig Bond’s dossier, which is pretty much a simple updating of Craig’s service record with changes like serving in the Persian Gulf rather than WWII.
EDIT:
MI6-HQ actually copied it to their site: https://www.mi6-hq.com/sections/articles/bond_21_007_dossier2.php3
I don't know, I don't agree with Mitchell's overall assessment because the film worked for me, but I'd say he's right that some of the impact of the ending comes around because it's James Bond dying- not just any character, but this iconic one we've been watching all our lives. Whether you think that's a good thing or a bad thing, I think it's a fair comment to say that's where a good deal of the power of the scene comes from.
Eon might have rebooted Bond in 2006, but they still kept coasting on the Bond mythos. That's one of the big problems of the Craig era, it wanted to be its own thing while simultaneously standing on ceremony. Craig's movies are filled with callbacks to the previous actors' movies. Hell, Eon even did a 50th anniversary movie with Skyfall, so saying that they don't owe anyone anything is very silly. They owe everything to the people who came before them. So, if they didn't want people pissed off over this bridge-burning ending, they shouldn't have done it.
Well, no, it didn't. DAD is a silly, OTT Bond movie. It pushes the envelope in ways it shouldn't have but at least it doesn't tear the envelope up.
Ahh that makes sense thanks mate.
Also I love that they went to the effort of publishing Bond's biography and backstory before Casino
Reboots are fairly common in modern storytelling. The audience has learned to accept them, we should too. If the main thing that bothers you about NTTD is Bond's "death" then get over it. Sean Connery's Bond still "exists," as does Moore's and Brosnan's, Dalton's and Lazenby's. There will be a New Guy and I wish him all the luck (and sexual conquests, and dry martinis) in the world. Bond is dead, long live Bond.