NO TIME TO DIE (2021) - First Reactions NO SPOILERS please

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  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Bounine wrote: »
    Based on the non spoiler reviews I’ve read and watched, it certainly sounds like an interesting film…for better or for worse. I’m all for character movement but it seems that there’s dialogue from Bond in this about having a certain life that I’m not going to like which doesn’t reflect Fleming’s Bond. I’ve always wanted more character development in Bond films but it just seems typical that they’ve potentially given us the wrong kind of character movement. I just mentioned the potential content of this dialogue to my Chinese friend and she laughed and said, “Not cool”. LOL. Still, we’ve never had a 100% portrayal of the literary man on screen for varied reasons anyway so one can look at it as just another example of this. Thankfully, I don’t feel as strongly about the movies like I used to. It’s the books that I really care about.

    Been listening to the soundtrack on YouTube. The action cues are okay but aren’t anything to write home about but then most of them haven’t been since The Living Daylights when Barry bailed. The slower bits are nice but, and even though I thought I was probably be getting my hopes up about this, I was a bit disappointed to not hear a reference to the Living Daylights since Bond uses the Vantage. A brief instrumental snippet of TLD theme song or ‘Where Has Everybody Gone’ would have been nice seeing there are other nods in the score. The Living Daylights has always been a special film to me. I love the score, the Vantage, the Cold War atmosphere and Dalton.
    Yep, TLD and GE are pretty much the last 2 truly great Bond movies. And is it a coincidence that both of them touch on the Cold War topic? Granted the latter is post-Cold War but that flavor is still there.

    What’s your opinion on CASINO ROYALE?
  • Posts: 7,507
    Bounine wrote: »
    Based on the non spoiler reviews I’ve read and watched, it certainly sounds like an interesting film…for better or for worse. I’m all for character movement but it seems that there’s dialogue from Bond in this about having a certain life that I’m not going to like which doesn’t reflect Fleming’s Bond. I’ve always wanted more character development in Bond films but it just seems typical that they’ve potentially given us the wrong kind of character movement. I just mentioned the potential content of this dialogue to my Chinese friend and she laughed and said, “Not cool”. LOL. Still, we’ve never had a 100% portrayal of the literary man on screen for varied reasons anyway so one can look at it as just another example of this. Thankfully, I don’t feel as strongly about the movies like I used to. It’s the books that I really care about.

    Been listening to the soundtrack on YouTube. The action cues are okay but aren’t anything to write home about but then most of them haven’t been since The Living Daylights when Barry bailed. The slower bits are nice but, and even though I thought I was probably be getting my hopes up about this, I was a bit disappointed to not hear a reference to the Living Daylights since Bond uses the Vantage. A brief instrumental snippet of TLD theme song or ‘Where Has Everybody Gone’ would have been nice seeing there are other nods in the score. The Living Daylights has always been a special film to me. I love the score, the Vantage, the Cold War atmosphere and Dalton.
    Yep, TLD and GE are pretty much the last 2 truly great Bond movies. And is it a coincidence that both of them touch on the Cold War topic? Granted the latter is post-Cold War but that flavor is still there.

    Casino Royale, Skyfall and No Time To Die are all truly great Bond movies.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    Yes, they are. All three are stellar, and even as much as I still love Skyfall (my opinion never wavered on it), I now put NTTD just under or even with Casino Royale. It is a stunning film in many ways and so beautifully filmed. For me, it is important as I feel it has a fitting finish for Craig's Bond's era. So we have a complete set, aside from all the other Bond movies, and it is very special. Just so glad he came back after Spectre (which I enjoyed okay). I did not want him to end on that one. NTTD is leagues better.
  • I need a second viewing to figure out NTTD's exact ranking, but it will certainly be closer to Casino and Skyfall than Quantum and SPECTRE.
  • Bounine wrote: »
    Based on the non spoiler reviews I’ve read and watched, it certainly sounds like an interesting film…for better or for worse. I’m all for character movement but it seems that there’s dialogue from Bond in this about having a certain life that I’m not going to like which doesn’t reflect Fleming’s Bond. I’ve always wanted more character development in Bond films but it just seems typical that they’ve potentially given us the wrong kind of character movement. I just mentioned the potential content of this dialogue to my Chinese friend and she laughed and said, “Not cool”. LOL. Still, we’ve never had a 100% portrayal of the literary man on screen for varied reasons anyway so one can look at it as just another example of this. Thankfully, I don’t feel as strongly about the movies like I used to. It’s the books that I really care about.

    Been listening to the soundtrack on YouTube. The action cues are okay but aren’t anything to write home about but then most of them haven’t been since The Living Daylights when Barry bailed. The slower bits are nice but, and even though I thought I was probably be getting my hopes up about this, I was a bit disappointed to not hear a reference to the Living Daylights since Bond uses the Vantage. A brief instrumental snippet of TLD theme song or ‘Where Has Everybody Gone’ would have been nice seeing there are other nods in the score. The Living Daylights has always been a special film to me. I love the score, the Vantage, the Cold War atmosphere and Dalton.
    Yep, TLD and GE are pretty much the last 2 truly great Bond movies. And is it a coincidence that both of them touch on the Cold War topic? Granted the latter is post-Cold War but that flavor is still there.

    What’s your opinion on CASINO ROYALE?
    It’s very good as a modern Bond film and as far as reboots go it’s probably the best of its kind. I’d rather watch it than BATMAN BEGINS any day and twice on Sunday.

    Still, after repeat viewings it does tend to drag in its second half and it actually starts being a bit difficult to sit through in one sitting. Even though I love all the casino scenes.

    That’s probably why SF is actually my favorite of the Craig run. It also feels more like a classic Bond film, especially with Javier Bardem’s flamboyant Silva. Though the personal angst stuff wears thin for me. Which is the one common thread through the entire Craig run, which seems to only get worse and worse with each new film. They really needed to put a kibosh on that a long time ago!

    So at the end of the day these new Bonds just don’t do it for me like the old classics do.
  • Posts: 2,599
    Bounine wrote: »
    Based on the non spoiler reviews I’ve read and watched, it certainly sounds like an interesting film…for better or for worse. I’m all for character movement but it seems that there’s dialogue from Bond in this about having a certain life that I’m not going to like which doesn’t reflect Fleming’s Bond. I’ve always wanted more character development in Bond films but it just seems typical that they’ve potentially given us the wrong kind of character movement. I just mentioned the potential content of this dialogue to my Chinese friend and she laughed and said, “Not cool”. LOL. Still, we’ve never had a 100% portrayal of the literary man on screen for varied reasons anyway so one can look at it as just another example of this. Thankfully, I don’t feel as strongly about the movies like I used to. It’s the books that I really care about.

    Been listening to the soundtrack on YouTube. The action cues are okay but aren’t anything to write home about but then most of them haven’t been since The Living Daylights when Barry bailed. The slower bits are nice but, and even though I thought I was probably be getting my hopes up about this, I was a bit disappointed to not hear a reference to the Living Daylights since Bond uses the Vantage. A brief instrumental snippet of TLD theme song or ‘Where Has Everybody Gone’ would have been nice seeing there are other nods in the score. The Living Daylights has always been a special film to me. I love the score, the Vantage, the Cold War atmosphere and Dalton.
    Yep, TLD and GE are pretty much the last 2 truly great Bond movies. And is it a coincidence that both of them touch on the Cold War topic? Granted the latter is post-Cold War but that flavor is still there.

    What’s your opinion on CASINO ROYALE?
    It’s very good as a modern Bond film and as far as reboots go it’s probably the best of its kind. I’d rather watch it than BATMAN BEGINS any day and twice on Sunday.

    Still, after repeat viewings it does tend to drag in its second half and it actually starts being a bit difficult to sit through in one sitting. Even though I love all the casino scenes.

    That’s probably why SF is actually my favorite of the Craig run. It also feels more like a classic Bond film, especially with Javier Bardem’s flamboyant Silva. Though the personal angst stuff wears thin for me. Which is the one common thread through the entire Craig run, which seems to only get worse and worse with each new film. They really needed to put a kibosh on that a long time ago!

    So at the end of the day these new Bonds just don’t do it for me like the old classics do.

    Yeah, overall, I prefer the older Bond films. A personal angle is fine every now and then but not for every film.
  • Posts: 1,098
    I enjoyed the film, though i can understand why some didn't and their points are valid.
    Still prefer CR and perhaps SF to NTTD, but NTTD is certainly much better than QOS, and more enjoyable than SP. Regarding spoilers, there are at least 4 things that happened in this film i was not expecting. Still think Blofeld was not utilized to best effect, and Safin to me was a weak point, appeared to young, and didn't fit in with the timeline of the story. I must admit i was taken a back when Nomi said she was the new 007, but we know what happens later in the film. The title song was ok, but Billy Eilish sings her songs as though she is half asleep. I thought the story was good, and the action sequences splendid, particularly Bond being pursued over the wasteland, and forest by Land Rover Defenders.......then the excellent gun battles, particularly the close quarter gun battles Bond has towards the end of the film, using John Wick like tactics. As most have said the Cuban sequence with the female CIA agent was good.......and there was some funny quips in the movie. Yep film was good............the difficult thing now is how the hell are the film producers going to proceed in which direction the series will be going forward.
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 16,226
    Bounine wrote: »
    Based on the non spoiler reviews I’ve read and watched, it certainly sounds like an interesting film…for better or for worse. I’m all for character movement but it seems that there’s dialogue from Bond in this about having a certain life that I’m not going to like which doesn’t reflect Fleming’s Bond. I’ve always wanted more character development in Bond films but it just seems typical that they’ve potentially given us the wrong kind of character movement. I just mentioned the potential content of this dialogue to my Chinese friend and she laughed and said, “Not cool”. LOL. Still, we’ve never had a 100% portrayal of the literary man on screen for varied reasons anyway so one can look at it as just another example of this. Thankfully, I don’t feel as strongly about the movies like I used to. It’s the books that I really care about.

    Been listening to the soundtrack on YouTube. The action cues are okay but aren’t anything to write home about but then most of them haven’t been since The Living Daylights when Barry bailed. The slower bits are nice but, and even though I thought I was probably be getting my hopes up about this, I was a bit disappointed to not hear a reference to the Living Daylights since Bond uses the Vantage. A brief instrumental snippet of TLD theme song or ‘Where Has Everybody Gone’ would have been nice seeing there are other nods in the score. The Living Daylights has always been a special film to me. I love the score, the Vantage, the Cold War atmosphere and Dalton.
    Yep, TLD and GE are pretty much the last 2 truly great Bond movies. And is it a coincidence that both of them touch on the Cold War topic? Granted the latter is post-Cold War but that flavor is still there.

    What’s your opinion on CASINO ROYALE?
    It’s very good as a modern Bond film and as far as reboots go it’s probably the best of its kind. I’d rather watch it than BATMAN BEGINS any day and twice on Sunday.

    Still, after repeat viewings it does tend to drag in its second half and it actually starts being a bit difficult to sit through in one sitting. Even though I love all the casino scenes.

    That’s probably why SF is actually my favorite of the Craig run. It also feels more like a classic Bond film, especially with Javier Bardem’s flamboyant Silva. Though the personal angst stuff wears thin for me. Which is the one common thread through the entire Craig run, which seems to only get worse and worse with each new film. They really needed to put a kibosh on that a long time ago!

    So at the end of the day these new Bonds just don’t do it for me like the old classics do.

    I feel the same way in some respects. As much as I liked NTTD on it's initial viewing I can't see myself popping in the Blu-ray nearly as often as I do the older films. I'm rarely in the mood for CR as excellent as it is. I can watch FRWL, OHMSS TSWLM and TLD multiple times per year.
    I've just seen NTTD a second time, but don't have the desire to rush out to see it again. I'll may just wait for the Blu-ray at this point.
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 2,402
    I'm surprised to see some of the "I don't know if I'll be returning to this often" reactions from people who enjoyed or even loved the film. I think NTTD is going to become the Bond film I revisit the most. It's a tremendously entertaining piece of cinema, it takes my attention and holds it firmly for 163 minutes, and I find it to be a loving, unwavering tribute to the character of James Bond and what these films represent. I'm not sure which Bond film I've seen the most (I had TSWLM and LTK practically on an alternating repeat as a kid, so one of those seems most likely), but I could see NTTD becoming my most-watched by the time I'm 30.
  • Posts: 3,327
    I'm surprised to see some of the "I don't know if I'll be returning to this often" reactions from people who enjoyed or even loved the film. I think NTTD is going to become the Bond film I revisit the most. It's a tremendously entertaining piece of cinema, it takes my attention and holds it firmly for 163 minutes, and I find it to be a loving, unwavering tribute to the character of James Bond and what these films represent. I'm not sure which Bond film I've seen the most (I had TSWLM and LTK practically on an alternating repeat as a kid, so one of those seems most likely), but I could see NTTD becoming my most-watched by the time I'm 30.

    I really don't think I can watch this one again. The only other Bond film I felt that way about was DAD. I have erased that one from my memory, and never thought I would have to again until this steaming turd came along.
  • Posts: 2,402
    I'm surprised to see some of the "I don't know if I'll be returning to this often" reactions from people who enjoyed or even loved the film. I think NTTD is going to become the Bond film I revisit the most. It's a tremendously entertaining piece of cinema, it takes my attention and holds it firmly for 163 minutes, and I find it to be a loving, unwavering tribute to the character of James Bond and what these films represent. I'm not sure which Bond film I've seen the most (I had TSWLM and LTK practically on an alternating repeat as a kid, so one of those seems most likely), but I could see NTTD becoming my most-watched by the time I'm 30.

    I really don't think I can watch this one again. The only other Bond film I felt that way about was DAD. I have erased that one from my memory, and never thought I would have to again until this steaming turd came along.

    Okay but like...you hated the film. That's about as far removed as possible from the reactions I'm referring to.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I don’t rewatch films as much as I used to anymore, that includes Bond films. There’s a few titles I haven’t even sat through for many years. Doesn’t mean I won’t see NTTD again very soon when it hits home video. It’ll just depend on the mood.
  • I'm surprised to see some of the "I don't know if I'll be returning to this often" reactions from people who enjoyed or even loved the film. I think NTTD is going to become the Bond film I revisit the most. It's a tremendously entertaining piece of cinema, it takes my attention and holds it firmly for 163 minutes, and I find it to be a loving, unwavering tribute to the character of James Bond and what these films represent. I'm not sure which Bond film I've seen the most (I had TSWLM and LTK practically on an alternating repeat as a kid, so one of those seems most likely), but I could see NTTD becoming my most-watched by the time I'm 30.

    I went to see it again last night for the 4th time and as soon as i got home, i knew that i would be going again soon. It just gets better and better each time i see it. With the exception of DAD (which i only saw once at the cinema), i'm not sure which Bond film i've seen the most either - but every film i've watched at the cinema, there's been at least 2 visits. I think NTTD will break my record though. I cant wait to see it again, its almost like an addiction. Love the film so much.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    I'm surprised to see some of the "I don't know if I'll be returning to this often" reactions from people who enjoyed or even loved the film. I think NTTD is going to become the Bond film I revisit the most. It's a tremendously entertaining piece of cinema, it takes my attention and holds it firmly for 163 minutes, and I find it to be a loving, unwavering tribute to the character of James Bond and what these films represent. I'm not sure which Bond film I've seen the most (I had TSWLM and LTK practically on an alternating repeat as a kid, so one of those seems most likely), but I could see NTTD becoming my most-watched by the time I'm 30.

    I really don't think I can watch this one again. The only other Bond film I felt that way about was DAD. I have erased that one from my memory, and never thought I would have to again until this steaming turd came along.

    Okay but like...you hated the film. That's about as far removed as possible from the reactions I'm referring to.

    I loved it, and I'll be watching it again as soon as it hits Bluray. I'll also likely see it again in theatres before the end of the run. Only time will tell with regards to how often I'll revisit this one, but I feel like I'll re-watch this one at least as often as the others.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 4,043
    I'm surprised to see some of the "I don't know if I'll be returning to this often" reactions from people who enjoyed or even loved the film. I think NTTD is going to become the Bond film I revisit the most. It's a tremendously entertaining piece of cinema, it takes my attention and holds it firmly for 163 minutes, and I find it to be a loving, unwavering tribute to the character of James Bond and what these films represent. I'm not sure which Bond film I've seen the most (I had TSWLM and LTK practically on an alternating repeat as a kid, so one of those seems most likely), but I could see NTTD becoming my most-watched by the time I'm 30.

    I really don't think I can watch this one again. The only other Bond film I felt that way about was DAD. I have erased that one from my memory, and never thought I would have to again until this steaming turd came along.

    Oh you do surprise me, if only you'd been going on about your disapproval of the film and it's conclusion and going into all threads on the forum about NTTD and pouring your misery out.

    Also tagging anyone that was in the same ball park as your opinion and going on about how so right they were.

    If only that had happened we might not have been so surprised by your remark above, please do next time Willy give us more clues before you state such an opinion, you really caught us all of guard with this.
  • Posts: 1,098
    Shardlake wrote: »
    I'm surprised to see some of the "I don't know if I'll be returning to this often" reactions from people who enjoyed or even loved the film. I think NTTD is going to become the Bond film I revisit the most. It's a tremendously entertaining piece of cinema, it takes my attention and holds it firmly for 163 minutes, and I find it to be a loving, unwavering tribute to the character of James Bond and what these films represent. I'm not sure which Bond film I've seen the most (I had TSWLM and LTK practically on an alternating repeat as a kid, so one of those seems most likely), but I could see NTTD becoming my most-watched by the time I'm 30.

    I really don't think I can watch this one again. The only other Bond film I felt that way about was DAD. I have erased that one from my memory, and never thought I would have to again until this steaming turd came along.

    Oh you do surprise me, if only you'd been going on about your disapproval of the film and it's conclusion and going into all threads on the forum about NTTD and pouring your misery out.

    Also tagging anyone that was in the same ball park as your opinion and going on about how so right they were.

    If only that had happened we might not have been so surprised by your remark above, please do next time Willy give us more clues before you state such an opinion, you really caught us all of guard with this.

    I'am very surprised by Jetsetwilly's response to NTTD, as based on his views on previous Craig films he had nothing but praise for them..........i wonder why he's done a 180 degreee U-turn?
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    Posts: 7,594
    Shardlake wrote: »
    I'm surprised to see some of the "I don't know if I'll be returning to this often" reactions from people who enjoyed or even loved the film. I think NTTD is going to become the Bond film I revisit the most. It's a tremendously entertaining piece of cinema, it takes my attention and holds it firmly for 163 minutes, and I find it to be a loving, unwavering tribute to the character of James Bond and what these films represent. I'm not sure which Bond film I've seen the most (I had TSWLM and LTK practically on an alternating repeat as a kid, so one of those seems most likely), but I could see NTTD becoming my most-watched by the time I'm 30.

    I really don't think I can watch this one again. The only other Bond film I felt that way about was DAD. I have erased that one from my memory, and never thought I would have to again until this steaming turd came along.

    Oh you do surprise me, if only you'd been going on about your disapproval of the film and it's conclusion and going into all threads on the forum about NTTD and pouring your misery out.

    Also tagging anyone that was in the same ball park as your opinion and going on about how so right they were.

    If only that had happened we might not have been so surprised by your remark above, please do next time Willy give us more clues before you state such an opinion, you really caught us all of guard with this.

    +1. Of course there is room for all opinions here (hopefully), but there's nothing constructive to add (and add, and add...) if you've open and shut the case for yourself, and are only interested in creating a little echo chamber of the exact same opinion for yourself (in tagging and engaging only those that agree).
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    +1. Of course there is room for all opinions here (hopefully), but there's nothing constructive to add (and add, and add...) if you've open and shut the case for yourself, and are only interested in creating a little echo chamber of the exact same opinion for yourself (in tagging and engaging only those that agree).

    I should probably keep my mouth shut as a forum newbie, but I daresay it goes both ways. I have seen people here go in circles praising NTTD to high heaven, and express disbelief and discontent at anyone who dares disagree.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
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    I am praising NTTD to ... pretty much heaven, yes; because it works beautifully for me and I do love it. But I definitely understand why others do not enjoy the ending. I would hope most enjoy the majority of the film, though. I hope we really are here to share, not to genuinely try to convince others to our own point of view (that is not realistic).
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
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    Going for my third watch, probably this weekend... on IMAX.

    Then, like God, I shall pass definitive judgment on the film. I hope history will be kind to me.

    (Okay, not really definitive judgment, but I'll have a more stable, robust opinion.)
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
    Posts: 14,698
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Going for my third watch, probably this weekend... on IMAX.

    Then, like God, I shall pass definitive judgment on the film. I hope history will be kind to me.

    (Okay, not really definitive judgment, but I'll have a more stable, robust opinion.)
    Have fun @mattjoes!

    And if you really are Léa Seydoux, then you've got God-like covered.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited October 2021 Posts: 7,594

    +1. Of course there is room for all opinions here (hopefully), but there's nothing constructive to add (and add, and add...) if you've open and shut the case for yourself, and are only interested in creating a little echo chamber of the exact same opinion for yourself (in tagging and engaging only those that agree).

    I should probably keep my mouth shut as a forum newbie, but I daresay it goes both ways. I have seen people here go in circles praising NTTD to high heaven, and express disbelief and discontent at anyone who dares disagree.

    Absolutely agree. For me, as a person who loves NTTD, it's very easy for me to understand why people don't like it / it isn't the Bond film they wanted. Personally I haven't seen a lot of people who praise NTTD as you say and then also express disbelief and discontent at anyone who dares disagree, but I'm sure the sentiment exists. I think I made my comment because I've seen a lot more of what @Shardlake was saying; people who dislike it, and express disbelief and discontent at anyone who dares disagree.

    But again, I can only comment on my own personal experience, of which your is absolutely equally valid.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited October 2021 Posts: 4,043
    I wouldn't express disbelief at negativity for this film because as soon as I walked out the cinema the first time I knew although some of the forum would accept this and celebrate the decision like me, that others would be in a huge furore and feel like Craig, Cary and the scriptwriters had deposited something unpleasant in their back garden.

    Although continually stating same old rhetoric over and over again comes across as bitter, I don't think anyone on this forum doesn't know that @jetsetwilly was upset with how No Time To Die concluded.

    Also with regards to where we go next.

    If you don't like Craig's portrayal and prefer the surface level playboy, with witty quips who we don't really have any other understanding of after that, then yes his bruised, battered version is likely to wind you up.

    Though you had 20 films of this, Dalton tried to buck the trend but he still was shackled with the Moore era, even when he was trying inject Fleming into the portrayal.

    Although I feel that, though things might lighten up a bit, I really can't see the next reiteration of Bond slipping back into the version before Craig.

    Anti Craig types just want to say that he is just another actor and he'll be replaced and we'll move on but sorry, this guy shifted the goal posts, opened the possibility to who could play this role and who would want to play it.

    I just can't see a move back to, he gets a mission he goes on that mission and he saves the day, I don't think the next actor will want that, they'll want more and the reason they'll want that is because of Daniel Craig.
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    +1. Of course there is room for all opinions here (hopefully), but there's nothing constructive to add (and add, and add...) if you've open and shut the case for yourself, and are only interested in creating a little echo chamber of the exact same opinion for yourself (in tagging and engaging only those that agree).

    I should probably keep my mouth shut as a forum newbie, but I daresay it goes both ways. I have seen people here go in circles praising NTTD to high heaven, and express disbelief and discontent at anyone who dares disagree.

    Absolutely agree. For me, as a person who loves NTTD, it's very easy for me to understand why people don't like it / it isn't the Bond film they wanted. Personally I haven't seen a lot of people who praise NTTD as you say and then also express disbelief and discontent at anyone who dares disagree, but I'm sure the sentiment exists. I think I made my comment because I've seen a lot more of what @Shardlake was saying; people who dislike it, and express disbelief and discontent at anyone who dares disagree.

    But again, I can only comment on my own personal experience, of which your is absolutely equally valid.

    thank you for the thoughful answer! :)
    With the film dividing opinion as much as it did (which I suspect was the filmmakers' intent), it is inevitable that posts in an early reactions thread tend to run in two parallel sets of conversations, and for now, it is probably for the best. As you say, it is a futile task to try and change others' reactions to a piece of art, but at the same time neither "side" should invalidate the other's reaction; the "unhappy" viewers need a place to vent their feelings as much as the "happy" ones. I am not a fan of NTTD (though my issue is less with the ending and more with the uneven pace/tone throughout, and with blurring the genre boundaries too much for my liking), but it is actually enlightening, if at times exasperating, to read views very different from mine.
  • 9IW9IW
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    New around here also. Appreciate all of the opinions. Looking at the post-NTTD rank the films thread, NTTD is pretty solidly in the middle of the pack, with some 1's and 25's. So, having some very opposite opinions is to be expected.

    I think the hyper-critical posts and the overly effusive ones are about equally irritating. This isn't Joe Dirt and its not Casablanca. Its a damn good Bond movie.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,511
    9IW wrote: »
    New around here also. Appreciate all of the opinions. Looking at the post-NTTD rank the films thread, NTTD is pretty solidly in the middle of the pack, with some 1's and 25's. So, having some very opposite opinions is to be expected.

    I think the hyper-critical posts and the overly effusive ones are about equally irritating. This isn't Joe Dirt and its not Casablanca. Its a damn good Bond movie.

    It’s a damn good ELEVATED Bond movie— agreed (🤫)!
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    Having so far seen NTTD only once, at this point as a Bond film i would place it behind CR, probably on a par with SF, but above the somewhat dull SP, and definitely above the so short, super fast edited mess of QOS.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited October 2021 Posts: 7,594
    mepal1 wrote: »
    Having so far seen NTTD only once, at this point as a Bond film i would place it behind CR, probably on a par with SF, but above the somewhat dull SP, and definitely above the so short, super fast edited mess of QOS.

    If the Craig era has given us anything, it's a different Craig-era-rating for seemingly every single person, which truly is a great thing.

    There's a website someone here posted once (I'll link it below), where you compare two Bond films repeatedly until you get your final ranking, and I did it recently and accidentally (?) put Spectre at the top! I do love Spectre, but I wouldn't necessarily say it's better than all the rest, lol.

    https://sorta.app/q/1029/
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    mepal1 wrote: »
    Having so far seen NTTD only once, at this point as a Bond film i would place it behind CR, probably on a par with SF, but above the somewhat dull SP, and definitely above the so short, super fast edited mess of QOS.

    If the Craig era has given us anything, it's a different Craig-era-rating for seemingly every single person, which truly is a great thing.

    There's a website someone here posted once (I'll link it below), where you compare two Bond films repeatedly until you get your final ranking, and I did it recently and accidentally (?) put Spectre at the top! I do love Spectre, but I wouldn't necessarily say it's better than all the rest, lol.

    https://sorta.app/q/1029/

    SP was pretty good, and in some parts very good, but the sum of all the parts was somewhat underwhelming. The film was painfully slow in some scenes.
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    edited October 2021 Posts: 701
    Shardlake wrote: »
    If you don't like Craig's portrayal and prefer the surface level playboy, with witty quips who we don't really have any other understanding of after that, then yes his bruised, battered version is likely to wind you up.

    "Surface level playboy" is why the character works. Bond uses quips, drinks, and womanizing to take the edge of off his life of killing. He doesn't live to kill, he lives for the luxuries that are bought and paid for by the British government.

    Though you had 20 films of this, Dalton tried to buck the trend but he still was shackled with the Moore era, even when he was trying inject Fleming into the portrayal.

    We had five straight films of Craig's Bond going rogue and fighting personal enemies. There was far more variety, in terms of plots, themes, and ranges of emotion, in the earlier films. From Russia With Love, Moonraker, Licence to Kill, and The World Is Not Enough are vastly different movies but they all work as Bond movies.
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