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I DO agree that the producers have cut the umbilical cord and we have the cleanest of clean slates, but that doesn't lessen my fears going forwards. Strange, you do sound like an insider I've been having a few words with outside of the chat. I DO hope you're right, though.
Thanks for that. :)>-
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At least we have the Horowitz book coming next year.
That’s exactly what I did with them as well. And I’m going to do the same with SP and NTTD. Just don’t need all that gobbledygook in my life. I love Craig’s first 3. They’re my 3 favorite movies period. SP feels contrived and forced. But if I’m ejecting NTTD from my Bond reality (and I am), I don’t see how I can recognize SP either-too intertwined. I did not like the comedy in SP. Falling on the couch (please), Mickey Mouse (groan), parachuting out of the AM (ugh), the coptor music (cringe), the car chase comedy (slapstick). You guys tell me if I’m wrong, but it bordered on (if not outright) resembled some of Moore’s campiest movies. Which I can really do without (the pigeon double take).
Just worry/fear about the things you can control instead.
I think, i will follow your plan. Try to forget the last two outings and treat Craigs tenure as a trilogy. I love his first three movies. With Spectre it went downhill for me. This way i hopefully maintain my love for the franchise, instead of walking away from it.
Thank you!
Precisely. It finally looked like we were going to get Bond going on traditional missions. I was soooo excited. Who in the heck at Eon decided to do the Spectre plot? Good grief. And I don’t mean to offend any Spectre fans, but that movie is so convoluted and discombobulated, it makes my head spin like Reagan in the Exorcist. It was supposed to be an ending to Craig’s arc, or that’s what he said, but it left things pretty open. I’ll never forget an older gentlemen in front of me at IMAX saying, “that was deeply unsatisfying. It did not feel like a James Bond movie to me.” My story of going to see Spectre is a story in itself (what a crazy experience), but that’s for another time.
There's a divide between the "keep updating Bond for modern times" fans and "faithfully recreate Fleming's views and era" fans. The former is an attempt to reach the greatest audience, and the latter is an acknowledgement of the core fan base.
For what it's worth, with its many nods to Fleming and updates, some radical, to Fleming's ideas, I thought NTTD did a good job of balancing these two constituencies.
Of course, most of the '60s films are the best films in the series, but that era is long gone, and Eon is on record as not wanting to do a period piece or streaming series.
It just means, that i don't want to waste my time with things or movies, that make me feel miserable. Seeing the good things and ignore the bad ones. It's a personal decision.
If you're okay with these two movies, good for you. But please accept, that not everyone feels this way.
Yes! Craig somehow gives the most heart-wrenching performance while also making you feel a semblance of the peace he feels himself.
He delivers something special throughout the whole film, IMO. He had to considering the enormity of what they were building up to and I'm glad he did. It could have been far worse.
Absolutely.
OHMSS doesn't really make you feel that downbeat after watching the the film though. Tracy dies, but its a brief moment. Most of the film doesn't have a depressing undertone to it, whereas NTTD does. By the end of the film we feel sorry for Bond, like he is a tragic individual that we pity. I never want to feel this with a Bond film.
We see Felix die along the way, Bond betrayed by the woman he loves, Bond losing his 007 number, Bond retired and not enjoying life, Bond becoming a dad and then losing the one chance of happiness he will ever have, and then Bond committing suicide. This is way more than just that brief moment at the very end of OHMSS.
OHMSS, LTK and CR are top of my list. And i have no problem with the shortcomings of certain entries. The one thing, i don't want to see (ever again) is killing off James Bond.
The fight with Logan Ash was great, I love the moment Bond stands back and straightens himself up gives Ash a death stare, then throws himself at him. It was like Bond was thinking how an I gonna be this fella. Excellently done
Every quote I see from Fukunaga makes me dislike him more. But IIRC, the point of Blofeld drilling Bond's head was make him face-blind so he couldn't recognize the people he cared about. Since Bond recognizes Madeline and everyone else, the end can't be a fantasy.
For what its worth, it wasnt the ending or the kid that turned me off first time, but just the whole film, apart from a few sequences, that didnt click with me!
Some of the problems still there, apart from that slow mid section, i really missed Paloma after she exited, she is wonderful, Cuba sequence is a real highlight, the Nomi character I think could have been left out altogether, and Safin needed more screentime, though I was more impressed with Maleks performance than I was before.
I also appreciated the song a bit more, in that it really fits after that opening, and Kleinmans titles are superb.
I still have issues with the action, i think I know why. Just as a set piece starts to get exciting.....it ends!!! Am not saying I want I want them to overstay, like some of the action sequences in the Brossa era, but these were too brief! And I agree with Birdleson when he stated the finale is a bit numbing, all that gunfire, though the one take on the stairs was pretty cool.
End of the day, it was a fitting finale for Craig, who is quite superb here, and has been throughout his tenure as Bond! Will miss him greatly!
This is how it works: Bond's knocked unconscious in SP. NTTD takes place entirely in his head while he's out. The white light at the end of NTTD then merges with the white light that fills the screen as Bond regains consciousness prior to being tortured by Blofeld in SP. The end of the Craig arc is therefore the third act of SP - so Bond's alive and the last we see of him is when he's driving off down Whitehall with Madeleine. Fukunaga actually did pitch something like this to EON!
Whoa. /Keanu
Seriously though, I'd take that over "Time To Give Up" any day.
You may be speaking facetiously, but this is a solution that could work for everybody. My biggest problem with Spectre -- yes, even bigger than the whole concept of Brofeld -- was the whole "head-drilled Bond shoots his way out of Spectre HQ" bit. If Madeline had done the lioness' share of the shooting in that scene, it probably would have worked better for me, but really, after an ordeal like that Bond would have been hard-pressed to just stumble out of a deserted HQ. Shooting up all the Spectre goons and destroying said HQ just after the head-drilling? No, sorry. That's an invulnerable Bond who probably SHOULD have survived the rain of missiles in the last few minutes of NTTD.
So, fine. The vast majority of NTTD was a dream, as was the last third or so of SP. Just don't try to take Ana de Armas' brief moment of glory away from us...
Very mature.