No Time To Die Script - Alternative pitches/what would you change?

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  • Posts: 4,191
    I do wonder as well if Cubby began saying that after Connery left. It would certainly make sense, and often these things have a self serving element (anyway, Cubby wasn’t blind to how audiences viewed each Bond - he certainly kept asking Moore back when he needed him).

    And for what it’s worth, it’s true that Bond is bigger than any actor. It’s why we’re getting a new film even after the ending of NTTD.
  • We’ll for sure be getting two official versions of Bond competing against each other with Bond #7, and the IOI Digital Bond they create for the new video game.
  • edited February 13 Posts: 12,837
    If killing Bond off wasn’t bold we wouldn’t still be arguing about it. And I still think it was the most satisfying way to end a fifth Craig film.
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    It's not even an earned "hero's death" by the end for me. The ticking time bomb here is slowly approaching buyers and a few international militaries getting feisty - meh.

    I know there’s speculation that this weird angle to take for the ticking time bomb was because it was a last minute ADR addition to raise the stakes, and it could’ve been. But last time I watched it, I wondered if there was more to the Russia angle that got cut because they bottled it? Boyle’s baddy was Russian, and we still had Valdo in the finished film, and Q said they were Russian ships. Maybe at some point it was more overt, or at least more strongly implied, that Heracles was being sold to the Russians (which is pretty high stakes to be fair, imagine if Putin got his hands on a weapon like that).
    007HallY wrote: »
    I do wonder as well if Cubby began saying that after Connery left. It would certainly make sense, and often these things have a self serving element (anyway, Cubby wasn’t blind to how audiences viewed each Bond - he certainly kept asking Moore back when he needed him).

    And for what it’s worth, it’s true that Bond is bigger than any actor. It’s why we’re getting a new film even after the ending of NTTD.

    I’m pretty sure that is when he said it, isn’t it? When they were recasting for the first time. Good point about getting Moore to stay too, and of course, they threw money at Connery to come back for Diamonds.

    Recasting a part like Bond is always a risk, and when they’ve got a proven money maker, it’s only natural that they’ll try and keep him. It’s always been the case (apart from poor Pierce, still wish he got the fifth he deserved), and I don’t think that contradicts Bond being bigger than the actor who plays him either.
  • Posts: 4,191
    If killing Bond off wasn’t bold we wouldn’t still be arguing about it. And I still think it was the most satisfying way to end a fifth Craig film.
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    It's not even an earned "hero's death" by the end for me. The ticking time bomb here is slowly approaching buyers and a few international militaries getting feisty - meh.

    I know there’s speculation that this weird angle to take for the ticking time bomb was because it was a last minute ADR addition to raise the stakes, and it could’ve been. But last time I watched it, I wondered if there was more to the Russia angle that got cut because they bottled it? Boyle’s baddy was Russian, and we still had Valdo in the finished film, and Q said they were Russian ships. Maybe at some point it was more overt, or at least more strongly implied, that Heracles was being sold to the Russians (which is pretty high stakes to be fair, imagine if Putin got his hands on a weapon like that).
    007HallY wrote: »
    I do wonder as well if Cubby began saying that after Connery left. It would certainly make sense, and often these things have a self serving element (anyway, Cubby wasn’t blind to how audiences viewed each Bond - he certainly kept asking Moore back when he needed him).

    And for what it’s worth, it’s true that Bond is bigger than any actor. It’s why we’re getting a new film even after the ending of NTTD.

    I’m pretty sure that is when he said it, isn’t it? When they were recasting for the first time. Good point about getting Moore to stay too, and of course, they threw money at Connery to come back for Diamonds.

    Recasting a part like Bond is always a risk, and when they’ve got a proven money maker, it’s only natural that they’ll try and keep him. It’s always been the case (apart from poor Pierce, still wish he got the fifth he deserved), and I don’t think that contradicts Bond being bigger than the actor who plays him either.

    Oh yeah, I don’t believe it contradicts it either. I just think you can see a flip side where even though Bond is bigger than a single actor, each Bond is also significant in their own way. So I don’t see Bond’s death in NTTD contradicting any of that either.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Yeah, @thelivingroyale nailed it.

    Unfortunately for those who despise the film, especially the ending, it was a bold move killing Bond— and, as thelivingroyale has pointed out, if it wasn’t, we wouldn’t still be talking about it (and others wouldn’t be seething…).

    Once again, no one has to like, or agree, with this ending. But it was a bold decision.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    @peter as an experienced and intelligent screenwriter that you are, don't you find Bond's death unsatisfying because of the tonal shifts? Because I really do. For me, the unnecessary jokes makes the high stakes low. Why would Bond joke with Q on the plane, when his family is in the hands of a mad man? I've always felt Bond should have been with more pensive and even alone going into Safin's lair, also have a more reflective conversation with Q on the plane.
    Look at the dialogue between Bond and M at the manor in SF, so reflective that it helped build-up the tension. So I would really like to hear your opinion @peter
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    All I can say is, @SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ … I react to films from an emotional place.

    Warts and all, this film hit me so hard in my heart and gut, that it’s been my favourite of the Bond films since its release. I think it’s a beautiful film. A film that may even be from the perspective of Bond himself in his last dying minutes (I always found the way Fukunaga shot it was dream-like). I’m also a father of three, and seeing my ultimate fictional hero making the ultimate sacrifice, was, almost, more than I could take— but in the best possible way.

    Do I see faults in the film? Of course I do, but I also see faults in Citizen Kane, Godfather, Raging Bull, Jaws, Casablanca… No film is perfect. Not one.

    What matters to me more than perfection (as perfection in anything isn’t real), is the messaging. And to me, the message of No Time To Die was a man, a good man, who gave his life for the people he loved most. And seeing that this man was James Bond, played by one of my favourite actors, truly took my heart.

    I say that with the utmost honesty.

    The heart loves, what it loves, in spite of, and despite of, any flaws.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    peter wrote: »
    All I can say is, @SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ … I react to films from an emotional place.

    Warts and all, this film hit me so hard in my heart and gut, that it’s been my favourite of the Bond films since its release. I think it’s a beautiful film. A film that may even be from the perspective of Bond himself in his last dying minutes (I always found the way Fukunaga shot it was dream-like). I’m also a father of three, and seeing my ultimate fictional hero making the ultimate sacrifice, was, almost, more than I could take— but in the best possible way.

    Do I see faults in the film? Of course I do, but I also see faults in Citizen Kane, Godfather, Raging Bull, Jaws, Casablanca… No film is perfect. Not one.

    What matters to me more than perfection (as perfection in anything isn’t real), is the messaging. And to me, the message of No Time To Die was a man, a good man, who gave his life for the people he loved most. And seeing that this man was James Bond, played by one of my favourite actors, truly took my heart.

    I say that with the utmost honesty.

    The heart loves, what it loves, in spite of, and despite of, any flaws.

    Wow! What a soulful post @peter I respect your opinion on it. I would have been surprised if someone as intelligent as yourself didn't notice the flaws.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Thanks @SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ … I appreciate that, and I can also see why some on this site, especially the original fans, may have issues with this film as well.

    I went into my first screening of NTTD with an open mind. I had a feeling they may try and end Craig’s tenure this way (I’m not sure if I actually believed they’d go through with it). And when it happened, I was so moved, so blown away, I truly was rattled (my nervous system was wrecked, I actually bawled (not cried, but bawled), and had to stay in my seat for a very long while after the film ended).

    I couldn’t stop thinking about it, and I saw it several times in the cinema. Each time with a more powerful reaction.

    To date, I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve watched the film.

    But each time I take in a viewing, it just hits that soft spot. Every.Single.Time.

    It has dug its way into my soul, and made a home there.
  • peter wrote: »
    All I can say is, @SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ … I react to films from an emotional place.

    Warts and all, this film hit me so hard in my heart and gut, that it’s been my favourite of the Bond films since its release. I think it’s a beautiful film. A film that may even be from the perspective of Bond himself in his last dying minutes (I always found the way Fukunaga shot it was dream-like). I’m also a father of three, and seeing my ultimate fictional hero making the ultimate sacrifice, was, almost, more than I could take— but in the best possible way.

    Do I see faults in the film? Of course I do, but I also see faults in Citizen Kane, Godfather, Raging Bull, Jaws, Casablanca… No film is perfect. Not one.

    What matters to me more than perfection (as perfection in anything isn’t real), is the messaging. And to me, the message of No Time To Die was a man, a good man, who gave his life for the people he loved most. And seeing that this man was James Bond, played by one of my favourite actors, truly took my heart.

    I say that with the utmost honesty.

    The heart loves, what it loves, in spite of, and despite of, any flaws.

    Well said as always @peter. I know this thread is about what we’d change but it’s nice to see a bit more positivity too.
    @peter as an experienced and intelligent screenwriter that you are, don't you find Bond's death unsatisfying because of the tonal shifts? Because I really do. For me, the unnecessary jokes makes the high stakes low. Why would Bond joke with Q on the plane, when his family is in the hands of a mad man? I've always felt Bond should have been with more pensive and even alone going into Safin's lair, also have a more reflective conversation with Q on the plane.
    Look at the dialogue between Bond and M at the manor in SF, so reflective that it helped build-up the tension. So I would really like to hear your opinion @peter

    The plane scene never bothered me like it seems to others because, while it was funny, Bond himself wasn’t really joking around in it. The humour came from Q being his usual awkward self, and Nomi’s “that doesn’t sound like you”, and I don’t think either really jar with what they’re preparing for. Nomi’s whole dynamic with Bond is snarky put downs. I think you could read it as reassuring him in a way, reminding him she’s got his back.

    And I thought they’d already got across the gravity of the situation with the bit in the Aston with Nomi anyway, so I was pretty happy with a traditional Q scene. It felt right imo. It’s his last battle, the bit where he has to get into gear and be James Bond one last time to save his family. And he wouldn’t be the James Bond we love without Q branch backing him. Reminded me of LTK (my favourite so that’s always nice) in that way, Q being there for him even in a situation far removed from the usual sort of mission.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    peter wrote: »
    Thanks @SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ … I appreciate that, and I can also see why some on this site, especially the original fans, may have issues with this film as well.

    I went into my first screening of NTTD with an open mind. I had a feeling they may try and end Craig’s tenure this way (I’m not sure if I actually believed they’d go through with it). And when it happened, I was so moved, so blown away, I truly was rattled (my nervous system was wrecked, I actually bawled (not cried, but bawled), and had to stay in my seat for a very long while after the film ended).

    I couldn’t stop thinking about it, and I saw it several times in the cinema. Each time with a more powerful reaction.

    To date, I’ve lost count of how many times I’ve watched the film.

    But each time I take in a viewing, it just hits that soft spot. Every.Single.Time.

    It has dug its way into my soul, and made a home there.

    Yeah. We all react to things differently. I can totally understand your feelings towards the film @peter Also, I always like to be liberal when it comes to opinions :)
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited February 14 Posts: 2,105
    Hmmmmm @thelivingroyale It's a nice way of putting it. But in SF, you must have found the reflective dialogue between Bond & M better and it built up the tension for Silva's ominous arrival.
  • Hmmmmm @thelivingroyale It's a nice way of putting it. But in SF, you must have found the reflective dialogue between Bond & M better and it built up the tension for Silva's ominous arrival.

    I can see what you mean, but the scene with Nomi in the Aston, despite being as short as it was, already felt to me like a nice equivalent to that SF scene. Not saying that scene made Saffin feel like an onimous threat (he’s one of the problems I do have with the film) in the way SF did with Silva, but I thought it did an equally good job of getting across what’s at stake before the mission really kicks off.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited February 14 Posts: 2,105
    Hmmmmm @thelivingroyale It's a nice way of putting it. But in SF, you must have found the reflective dialogue between Bond & M better and it built up the tension for Silva's ominous arrival.

    I can see what you mean, but the scene with Nomi in the Aston, despite being as short as it was, already felt to me like a nice equivalent to that SF scene. Not saying that scene made Saffin feel like an onimous threat (he’s one of the problems I do have with the film) in the way SF did with Silva, but I thought it did an equally good job of getting across what’s at stake before the mission really kicks off.

    Ok. Yeah. Albeit I just feel Dench's M death hits me more than Bond's death, because SF sprinkled the jokes sparingly and effectively. Also, Newman's Mother also elevates the scene with Craig's & Dench's subtle, but incredible acting in that scene.
  • edited February 15 Posts: 12,837
    Hmmmmm @thelivingroyale It's a nice way of putting it. But in SF, you must have found the reflective dialogue between Bond & M better and it built up the tension for Silva's ominous arrival.

    I can see what you mean, but the scene with Nomi in the Aston, despite being as short as it was, already felt to me like a nice equivalent to that SF scene. Not saying that scene made Saffin feel like an onimous threat (he’s one of the problems I do have with the film) in the way SF did with Silva, but I thought it did an equally good job of getting across what’s at stake before the mission really kicks off.

    Ok. Yeah. Albeit I just feel Dench's M death hits me more than Bond's death, because SF sprinkled the jokes sparingly and effectively. Also, Newman's Mother also elevates the scene with Craig's & Dench's subtle, but incredible acting in that scene.

    Newman never really did it for me but I do think Bond’s death music could have been better. It’s a nicely emotional track, I really liked it at first, and I still really like the bit at the start that echoes the Billie Eilish theme as Bond and us realise he’s not getting out of this one. But the strings that kick in as he dies didn’t feel distinctly Bond, and his death is a big Bond moment.

    I think a small hit of the Bond theme would have fit better. Not the standard guitar lick obviously. But a slow, solemn brass/strings rendition quietly stirring as he looks up and the missiles fall could have worked imo.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited February 15 Posts: 2,105
    Hmmmmm @thelivingroyale It's a nice way of putting it. But in SF, you must have found the reflective dialogue between Bond & M better and it built up the tension for Silva's ominous arrival.

    I can see what you mean, but the scene with Nomi in the Aston, despite being as short as it was, already felt to me like a nice equivalent to that SF scene. Not saying that scene made Saffin feel like an onimous threat (he’s one of the problems I do have with the film) in the way SF did with Silva, but I thought it did an equally good job of getting across what’s at stake before the mission really kicks off.

    Ok. Yeah. Albeit I just feel Dench's M death hits me more than Bond's death, because SF sprinkled the jokes sparingly and effectively. Also, Newman's Mother also elevates the scene with Craig's & Dench's subtle, but incredible acting in that scene.

    Newman never really did it for me but I do think Bond’s death music could have been better. It’s a nicely emotional track, I really liked it at first, and I still really like the bit at the start that echoes the Billie Eilish theme as Bond and us realise he’s not getting out of this one. But the strings that kick in as he dies didn’t feel distinctly Bond, and his death is a big Bond moment.

    I think a small hit of the Bond theme would have fit better. Not the standard guitar lick obviously. But a slow, solemn brass/strings rendition quietly stirring as he looks up and the missiles fall could have worked imo.

    Much agreed! A soulful version of the Bond theme was needed. Not sure David Arnold would have missed that sort of moment :)
  • edited February 16 Posts: 3,278
    What would I change?

    1) PTS ending with Bond and Madeleine arriving in Matera and strolling through the city. After the PTS it picks up the next morning. Then the car chase.

    2) Bond moves on after Madeleine and doesn't have a child. Blofeld doesn't die. Neither does Felix. Bond's death is surrounded with more suspense and not as definitive, He doesn't sacrifice himself for anyone, but is still poisoned.

    3) Learning that he can't have a serious relationship with any women and trust them, he then becomes Bond, meaning casual acquaintances with women, He flirts more with Paloma who he ends up kissing in Cuba.

    4) Nomi is more of an adversary. After Cuba and London, the Norway scenes are more fun and games than the orginal scenes at the cabin with Madeleine and his daughter. A chase between Nomi and Bond to get from point A to B to get some clues, with the bad guys intervening leading to a setpiece. Bond finds the clues that lead him to the villain's lair, where we first meet Safin (much like how we first meet Dr.No in the first Bond movie).

    5) Blofeld escapes near the end.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    edited February 16 Posts: 3,791
    1. The PTS would start with Bond visiting Blofeld in Belmarsh, a clear continuation of SPECTRE, then those where Blofeld uttered the lines "If her secret finds it way out, it would be the death of you", Bond would still strangle Blofeld, but he wouldn't die.

    2. After the PTS, the Matera scenes with Bond and Madeleine strolling around, then the set up of Madeleine, but instead of Blofeld, make it Safin that would blackmail Madeleine, then they would separate.

    3. No callbacks from the previous films, make an original theme song for Bond and Madeleine, no OHMSS callbacks.

    4. No Valdo Obruchev, make Primo Safin's men.

    5. The Jamaica sequence would still be the same as in the original film, I would still keep Nomi and Logan Ash.


    6. Keep the SPECTRE party in Cuba and the whole fight scenes (still the same as in the original film), I would cut the scene after Bond and Paloma departed, make Primo to be the one who would spread the nanobots, have Bond kill Primo in this sequence, then when Primo died, Bond would find out Madeleine's whereabouts from Safin's message to Primo himself, no Felix Leiter in this sequence, so that means, he's not going to die.


    7. Bond would be back in duty, gets a call from M, telling that Blofeld had died (off screen), this where Bond would start to doubt anything and believe what Blofeld had told him earlier, M told Bond how Blofeld died, as the Belmarsh prison was now deemed incapable of handling prisoners after many of those inside the jail had died, not just Blofeld, Msent Bond to investigate the case.

    8. Bond and Nomi would meet Madeleine in her Clinic, no child thing, Madeleine would ignore Bond and tell him to go away, but Bond showed her Safin's message to Primo where her location was in the message, Madeleine decided to help Bond again, and she would tell him about Safin, his backstory and his plot, it would be revealed that Safin was Mr. White's son, Madeleine's half brother (in father's side), a Scientist, now when Safin knew of Mr. White's killing, he'd vowed revenge against SPECTRE and Blofeld, and his plan was to replace his father as the leader of Quantum, and was also planning to revive the organization, and Madeleine would reveal that he's also the one who came in to her house, killed her mother and whom Madeleine had shot (as her backstory in the train scene in SPECTRE).

    9. Have Madeleine got kidnapped by Logan Ash as he's revealed to be a CIA traitor, car chase, Logan Ash would give Madeleine to Safin for an experiment, Nomi would shot Logan Ash dead, but it's too late, Safin has Madeleine.

    10. Same finale, Bond and Nomi would infiltrate Safin's lair, confrontation, Nomi would find Madeleine, and Bond and Safin would go in a fight, Bond would admit to Safin that Mr. White killed himself and he's there, this would anger Safin and the fight between the two would get more intense, and Bond would kill Safin, as Nomi found Madeleine, but she's distancing herself from her, because Safin had injected her a virus, turning her into his test subject.

    11. INTERPOL and other International Authorities arrived, Nomi persuaded Bond to leave the island, as the personnel of International Organizations had arrived, they would rescue those people who were also being treated as test subjects, and Madeleine.

    12. Bond went back to the service, while Madeleine was isolated from the world as she's treated in a facility, as Bond went back to Venice and visited Vesper's grave and whispered his apologize to her, as he went to a bar, ordered his Vodka Martini, shaken not stirred.
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    In the final scene of Bond with Safin, Safin tells Bond what he just did to Bond, and Bond says, "Oh, this vial ?" The colors of the contents would be telling, and we would see that Bond had switched them, and Safin got him with a placebo. Bond kills Safin. Throws the bad stuff down somewhere. Bond goes up top and from here please recall the ending of the book YOLT - weather balloon. Bond uses it to get away in time. Falls. Picked up by people in a boat. Cut to Mama and Madeline driving and discussing Bond. They slow down to drive under a small bridge. Glare, so Mama brings the Aston to a stop. They look up and see Bond on the side of the road, looking at them, smiling. They both smile. Pretty much as final as the way it did end, because it is clear Bond is through with his former life, and will live it out with Mama and daughter. Heartfelt, poignant, final.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    An alternate title for NTTD could have been:

    Daughter of Spectre

    It has the requisite Fleming-esque five syllables.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    Spectre Spawn
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Here's mine, adding a flourish to the end of each film reel.

    Matera car chase: Bond dies and wakes up.
    Titles sequence: Bond dies and wakes up.
    Jamaica sequence: Bond dies and wakes up.
    Cuba sequence: Bond dies and wakes up.
    Bond in London: dies and wakes up.
    Bond in Norway: dies and wakes up.
    Safin's Island: Bond dies. (Keep that bit.)

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  • mattjoesmattjoes Julie T. and the M.G.'s
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    For NTTD, the main change I would implement is I would cut that ridiculous scene involving the priest, the omelette and the rubber chicken with a pulley in the middle. What was that all about?
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    For NTTD, the main change I would implement is I would cut that ridiculous scene involving the priest, the omelette and the rubber chicken with a pulley in the middle. What was that all about?

    It is called dramatic irony and metaphorical imagery. I’ve actually composed an essay about this on my blog: DramaticIronyandmetaphoricalimagery.blogspot.com.

    If you become a subscriber (my first!), you’ll received an autographed pic of my dog.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    mattjoes wrote: »
    For NTTD, the main change I would implement is I would cut that ridiculous scene involving the priest, the omelette and the rubber chicken with a pulley in the middle. What was that all about?

    I thought only Blofeld saw that bit with his little eye.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
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    Must have missed that scene
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Must have missed that scene

    It did go by in the blink of an eye.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Must have missed that scene

    It did go by in the blink of an eye.

    Dunno how you do it @Dragonpol ! 😂 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻 😂
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    peter wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Must have missed that scene

    It did go by in the blink of an eye.

    Dunno how you do it @Dragonpol ! 😂 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻 😂

    It was an open goal. I couldn't resist that one! 😀
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 25 Posts: 16,446
    007HallY wrote: »
    To be fair I suspect it’s more a case of Fukunaga simply not having that specific ‘Bondian’ touch that Mendes and Campbell have. It’s that sort of heightened reality but ‘tongue in cheek’ approach that results in coming up with stuff like the tank chase in GE, or the train sequence during the PTS of SF - a good dose of tension depicted in a straightforward manner mixed with that undercurrent of absurdity which defines the whole sequence (ie. Why would Bond know how to drive a tank? Why would the bulldozers on the train even be working? No need to think about it, no one else is anyway because the scene is gripping as it is). It’s not quite like the Cuba sequence which defaults to more elaborate choreography, cinematography and tone. It doesn’t quite have that same blending of reality and fantasy. Not to say that Fukunaga’s a bad director at all, he just doesn’t quite have that quality. It’s something I found missing from NTTD anyway.

    Yeah this is it for me: Mendes had the Bond touch, Fukunaga didn't.
    I know they've previously had a directors-from-the-Commonwealth rule, which in prospect I don't really agree with, but maybe there actually was something there? Perhaps you need to have grown up with Bond films on telly on a Bank Holiday to fully get it? I don't know. Certainly I'd say that both QoS and NTTD kind of missed the spot for me in that they didn't really feel Bondy enough.
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Not so much as a script change as it is a change in general, but I wish Craig had played Bond a bit more consistently throughout the film. It's not entirely his fault though the changing tone doesn't help

    I love his portrayal in Matera, especially Jamaica and through most of Safin's Island. He's stoic and a bit sharp in his interactions, which suits a retired Bond. His meeting with Nomi being the best example "it's commander Bond" and "in my humble opinion the world doesn't change much"

    He is a wounded animal, that Fukunaga spoke about in one of the trailers, but its forgotten when he gets to Cuba and even more so in London. I just think his portrayal is less interesting Cuba onwards

    Yeah, the film is brilliantly shot for sure. Apart from the shift in tone, Fukunaga isn't very inventive with the action scenes. Action-wise nothing extraordinary happens in Cuba. The Norway chase looked like it would be a show stopper in the trailers, but it was very disappointing. The lab attack..nothing special...nothing suspenseful. Compare that to Necros attacking with milk and kidnapping Koskov in TLD. It's just the Matera sequence and the Bunker shootout that's very solid.

    Yep, 100% agree.
    007HallY wrote: »
    But yeah, it’s worth saying that if you disliked NTTD for killing Bond, then Boyle’s version would have made absolutely no difference.

    The only reason I had any sense that Bond was about to die when I was watching it was that, when Boyle left the project, there were lots of rumours that it was because he killed Bond in his script and Eon didn't want that(!) - that and Eon had loads of 'don't tell anyone what happens' notices around after the premiere, which is a bit of a tip-off that someone dies!


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