007 heading to streaming? Amazon buys MGM for $8.45 billion!

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  • edited May 30 Posts: 1,462
    Mallory wrote: »
    meshypushy wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    So Amazon have ordered a series of Young Sherlock Holmes (directed by Guy Richie), based on the YA novel series by Andy Lane, which itself was inspired by the success of the Young Bond series.
    Just a theory, but I wonder if they tried to get a Young Bond TV show going and, when turned down by Eon, went for the next best thing...?

    https://www.geektown.co.uk/2024/05/29/prime-video-orders-young-sherlock-series-starring-hero-fiennes-tiffin-from-guy-ritchie/
    Wow - a very honest question but how the hell does Guy Ritchie get work? He makes Michael Winner look like Brian De Palma. Amazon funding more Ritchie nonsense could not make me less optimistic about the future of Bond under their stewardship.

    Why? Ritchie is clearly a trusted person to work with, has a strong work ethic, and delivers critically decently to well received films, working with mid size budgets. It's fine to not like the work he puts out, but he has an audience and has a solid track record. It's not hard to see why Amazon want to (and have) built a solid working relationship between him and his team.

    And he is better than many journeymen directors. He was overqualified to make Aladdin but he made it anyway
  • meshypushymeshypushy Ireland
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    Mallory wrote: »
    meshypushy wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    So Amazon have ordered a series of Young Sherlock Holmes (directed by Guy Richie), based on the YA novel series by Andy Lane, which itself was inspired by the success of the Young Bond series.
    Just a theory, but I wonder if they tried to get a Young Bond TV show going and, when turned down by Eon, went for the next best thing...?

    https://www.geektown.co.uk/2024/05/29/prime-video-orders-young-sherlock-series-starring-hero-fiennes-tiffin-from-guy-ritchie/
    Wow - a very honest question but how the hell does Guy Ritchie get work? He makes Michael Winner look like Brian De Palma. Amazon funding more Ritchie nonsense could not make me less optimistic about the future of Bond under their stewardship.

    Why? Ritchie is clearly a trusted person to work with, has a strong work ethic, and delivers critically decently to well received films, working with mid size budgets. It's fine to not like the work he puts out, but he has an audience and has a solid track record. It's not hard to see why Amazon want to (and have) built a solid working relationship between him and his team.
    I guess I just don’t see the appeal of his movies. I appreciate that he has a following but I find his work to be massively formulaic and I struggle to understand how folk keep showing up to see what feels to me like remakes of the same idea, using the same tropes repeatedly etc.
    I’ve seen everything he’s done, with the exception of ‘The Gentlemen’ movie, which I switched off halfway through (I hated it). The only Ritchie movie that I found vaguely watchable was ‘Operation Fortune: Ruse de Guerre’, which I thought was a dumb but watchable action romp (Statham is a guilty pleasure of mine!).
    Amazon’s acquisition of his recent movies just feels to me like they’re shopping in a discount supermarket. Having the new Ritchie thing on Prime would not be a motivator for me to subscribe.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    I'm not sure if it's the same in Ireland, but in the UK all of Richie's most recent films (including Fortune) have gone straight to Prime without a prior release anywhere. It's quite curious.
  • meshypushymeshypushy Ireland
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    mtm wrote: »
    I'm not sure if it's the same in Ireland, but in the UK all of Richie's most recent films (including Fortune) have gone straight to Prime without a prior release anywhere. It's quite curious.
    Yes - that’s what I was referring to. It feels like he’s dialling it in and they’re lapping it up.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Pretty sure they get cinema releases in the US still, just not here for some reason.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited May 30 Posts: 6,393
    meshypushy wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    I'm not sure if it's the same in Ireland, but in the UK all of Richie's most recent films (including Fortune) have gone straight to Prime without a prior release anywhere. It's quite curious.
    Yes - that’s what I was referring to. It feels like he’s dialling it in and they’re lapping it up.

    Ugh, I cannot stand Ritchie's films. All style and no substance.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Trying to think if I've ever seen a Guy Ritchie film...
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    “There’s nothing I can tell you about the next Bond film. There’s nothing. Nothing is happening yet.”

    Four years have passed since the last Bond was completed and the producers still have nothing to report?

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I imagine that Amazon will want something more with the James Bond name brand over RTAM, soon. Movie or TV show, even if the show isn't put out on a regular (namely yearly) basis.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I imagine that Amazon will want something more with the James Bond name brand over RTAM, soon. Movie or TV show, even if the show isn't put out on a regular (namely yearly) basis.

    Yeah, that's what I could see as possibly being the root of this Young Sherlock show.
  • Posts: 573
    Revelator wrote: »
    “There’s nothing I can tell you about the next Bond film. There’s nothing. Nothing is happening yet.”

    Four years have passed since the last Bond was completed and the producers still have nothing to report?

    The better way of looking at it: one year since their production partner finalized their merger, and only a few months since the new parent company figured out how they want to integrate their assets.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    They can take their time.
  • M_BaljeM_Balje Amsterdam, Netherlands
    edited May 30 Posts: 4,538
    I have 5 movie's directed by Guy Ritchie

    Sherlock Holmes
    Sherlock Holmes 2
    The Man from U.N.C.L.E. ''2015''
    Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels
    Snatch

    The only other one i whant to collect is Aladdin (2019). And if we ever wil see Aladdin 2, Sherlock Holmes 3 or The Man from U.N.C.L.E. 2.

    Operation Fortune and King Arthur: Legend of the Sword i wil possible give try on tv and mabey young Sherlock series too (whyle Amazon/Warner not even release LOTR series on tv or BD/DVD yet.)
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    It's unfortunate in some ways, but the reality is that EON are now teamed up with Amazon, who have some of the deepest pockets of any company on the planet. There's nothing rushing EON to get a move on at the moment, and with the way things are, why WOULD they be in any such hurry? The first half of 2024 has been horrible for movies at the boxoffice, and EON aren't just looking to make a single standalone film, they want kick off a whole new series of films. I hate to say it, and I wish it wasn't so, but sitting back and waiting things out is the smart move for the time being.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I imagine that Amazon will want something more with the James Bond name brand over RTAM, soon. Movie or TV show, even if the show isn't put out on a regular (namely yearly) basis.

    Yeah, that's what I could see as possibly being the root of this Young Sherlock show.

    I'd say your suspicions are likely on the money for this one, fellas....
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    peter wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I imagine that Amazon will want something more with the James Bond name brand over RTAM, soon. Movie or TV show, even if the show isn't put out on a regular (namely yearly) basis.

    Yeah, that's what I could see as possibly being the root of this Young Sherlock show.

    I'd say your suspicions are likely on the money for this one, fellas....

    Even though Amazon has media rights, I wonder if they have some control over IFP. If they do, they may push for more original Bond adventures in book form.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited May 31 Posts: 16,624
    Eon/MGM own the James Bond trademark, so they'd still have to licence the name from them. IFP have to.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    I suspect from now on, we'll only get a new Bond film when Babs and Co feel it is the right time for one, since there is nothing pressuring them anymore. Even though this isn't ideal, and we'd all love to see consistent films being released, at the same time I don't know what other franchise I'd swap it out for in terms of where its positioned in the marketplace. Would you rather bond switched places with Star Wars, and became Disneys cash cow to like dry? Would you rather have bond turn into the FF franchise and churn out brainless sequels every few years? Would you rather have bond take the place of Ghostbusters, Indiana Jones, Transformers, Planet of the Apes, Mad Max, Marvel and DC? Even Mission Impossible, which has given Bond a run for its money for over a decade, is about to run into serious problems after the next film releases and Cruise retires. In 20 years from now Mission Impossible will likely be remembered as a great series that had its time in the sun, just like Die Hard in the 90's, and Bourne in the 00's, whereas bond (touch wood) will still be chugging along.

    I don't like the current situation of no new development year after year, but at the same time, there's nothing out there I would swap it for. Bond has probably the healthiest position in the marketplace right now. Most importantly, the people making them aren't motivated by pure greed, they want to get do things the right way, and they know the most important thing is that the next film lands like a thunderclap when it finally arrives, so they are taking all the time they need to make sure it does.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    peter wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I imagine that Amazon will want something more with the James Bond name brand over RTAM, soon. Movie or TV show, even if the show isn't put out on a regular (namely yearly) basis.

    Yeah, that's what I could see as possibly being the root of this Young Sherlock show.

    I'd say your suspicions are likely on the money for this one, fellas....

    Do you mean it just sounds likely, or something more..?
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    mtm wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I imagine that Amazon will want something more with the James Bond name brand over RTAM, soon. Movie or TV show, even if the show isn't put out on a regular (namely yearly) basis.

    Yeah, that's what I could see as possibly being the root of this Young Sherlock show.

    I'd say your suspicions are likely on the money for this one, fellas....

    Do you mean it just sounds likely, or something more..?

    Sounds likely. There was word floating around that Amazon, after the purchase of MGM was official, spoke openly about potentially expanding the 007 universe as a streaming series. And it was at this time that EoN made an announcement to clarify that their films were cinema events.

    It would make sense that Amazon would float this idea (wanting to stretch any IP they own) but it was quickly put to bed with EoN’s insistence that outside of something like RTAM (which was being being developed BEFORE the sale), they’re not interested in a Bond universe being expanded as a streaming series.

    So once the door was slammed on this idea, I wouldn’t be surprised that Amazon was motivated to look elsewhere for other well established IP that could be made into a tv series.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I suspect from now on, we'll only get a new Bond film when Babs and Co feel it is the right time for one

    This has always been the case.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited June 1 Posts: 16,624
    peter wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    I imagine that Amazon will want something more with the James Bond name brand over RTAM, soon. Movie or TV show, even if the show isn't put out on a regular (namely yearly) basis.

    Yeah, that's what I could see as possibly being the root of this Young Sherlock show.

    I'd say your suspicions are likely on the money for this one, fellas....

    Do you mean it just sounds likely, or something more..?

    Sounds likely. There was word floating around that Amazon, after the purchase of MGM was official, spoke openly about potentially expanding the 007 universe as a streaming series. And it was at this time that EoN made an announcement to clarify that their films were cinema events.

    It would make sense that Amazon would float this idea (wanting to stretch any IP they own) but it was quickly put to bed with EoN’s insistence that outside of something like RTAM (which was being being developed BEFORE the sale), they’re not interested in a Bond universe being expanded as a streaming series.

    So once the door was slammed on this idea, I wouldn’t be surprised that Amazon was motivated to look elsewhere for other well established IP that could be made into a tv series.

    Interesting! Yeah I agree, the fact that this is Amazon, and that Young Sherlock was so directly inspired by Young Bond so feels like the very next place you'd go if you couldn't get Young Bond... it does all seem to add up doesn't it. Doesn't make it fact of course and I'm sure we'd never find out even if it were, but it does smell likely.
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
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    Revelator wrote: »
    “There’s nothing I can tell you about the next Bond film. There’s nothing. Nothing is happening yet.”

    Four years have passed since the last Bond was completed and the producers still have nothing to report?

    Wait a sec, Barbara Broccoli posts here? **Adjusts tie, then realizes he isn't wearing one**
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,511
    mattjoes wrote: »
    Revelator wrote: »
    “There’s nothing I can tell you about the next Bond film. There’s nothing. Nothing is happening yet.”

    Four years have passed since the last Bond was completed and the producers still have nothing to report?

    Wait a sec, Barbara Broccoli posts here? **Adjusts tie, then realizes he isn't wearing one**

    😂 that was good!!

    @mtm , yep we won’t ever find out, but I think you connected the dots. Makes sense. Studios/streamers looking to stretch known IP for more content. Can’t get Bond. Pivot one step over, and what did they find…
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Babs! Take your time! We can wait! We can wait a loooong time!

    :D
  • Posts: 1,462
    Maybe Sherlock Holmes 3 is dead and Guy Ritchie found another way to make money with this.
  • edited June 2 Posts: 373
    It's unfortunate in some ways, but the reality is that EON are now teamed up with Amazon, who have some of the deepest pockets of any company on the planet. There's nothing rushing EON to get a move on at the moment, and with the way things are, why WOULD they be in any such hurry? The first half of 2024 has been horrible for movies at the boxoffice, and EON aren't just looking to make a single standalone film, they want kick off a whole new series of films. I hate to say it, and I wish it wasn't so, but sitting back and waiting things out is the smart move for the time being.

    How long is a reasonable waiting things out? Four years? Five? Six? Ten?

    Amazon are not a waiting things out company. They are the complete opposite. This is why they are the most successful retailer in the world based on market share. They championed next day delivery of goods. If you use the Amazon Prime tier you get next day delivery of items so their business model is not predicated on waiting things out.
    For Amazon Prime members, One-Day Delivery is the default delivery option and is free.

    So far the Eon/Amazon partnership has been disappointing. We have no idea when Bond 26 will be released. Amazon could have bought MGM with a contractual obligation in place to ensure Bond 26 was out by 2025 (subject to no further coronaviruses or other unexpected events). A deadline written into the contract. If not a deadline, an agreement to try and meet that winter 2025 release date.

    Amazon bought MGM in 2022. Three years is a reasonable amount of time to make a new Bond film with new actor and rebooted storyline. At the moment it looks as if the earliest time for Bond 26 to be released is 2026. And if the box office landscape is bad in 2026, if more and more people have given up going to the cinema due to cost of living, high film tickets, easy availability of streaming content, well, it's possible Bond 26 may go direct to Amazon Prime video. The compact disc music industry was overtaken by digital download and then streaming. There's the historical precedent. It's possible cinema is facing its compact disc existential moment. If the vast majority of film goers worldwide switch to streaming there is a possibility Bond 26 or Bond 27 will go direct to streaming. If Bond 26 is not out to 2026 or 2027, the theatrical release model may be dramatically different to 2024.

    But the main issue is Amazon getting Eon to secure a release date for Bond 26. If Eon can confirm Bond 26 will be out autumn 2026 then it feels as if the franchise is still active. Bond 26 in 2026 seems a logical marketing gimmick too.
  • edited June 2 Posts: 1,462
    It's not the end of the world if Bond goes to streaming.

    Bond couldn't be in better hands than Amazon if the theatrical model dies.

  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    bondywondy wrote: »
    It's unfortunate in some ways, but the reality is that EON are now teamed up with Amazon, who have some of the deepest pockets of any company on the planet. There's nothing rushing EON to get a move on at the moment, and with the way things are, why WOULD they be in any such hurry? The first half of 2024 has been horrible for movies at the boxoffice, and EON aren't just looking to make a single standalone film, they want kick off a whole new series of films. I hate to say it, and I wish it wasn't so, but sitting back and waiting things out is the smart move for the time being.

    How long is a reasonable waiting things out? Four years? Five? Six? Ten?

    Amazon are not a waiting things out company. They are the complete opposite. This is why they are the most successful retailer in the world based on market share. They championed next day delivery of goods. If you use the Amazon Prime tier you get next day delivery of items so their business model is not predicated on waiting things out.
    For Amazon Prime members, One-Day Delivery is the default delivery option and is free.

    So far the Eon/Amazon partnership has been disappointing. We have no idea when Bond 26 will be released. Amazon could have bought MGM with a contractual obligation in place to ensure Bond 26 was out by 2025 (subject to no further coronaviruses or other unexpected events). A deadline written into the contract. If not a deadline, an agreement to try and meet that winter 2025 release date.

    Amazon bought MGM in 2022. Three years is a reasonable amount of time to make a new Bond film with new actor and rebooted storyline. At the moment it looks as if the earliest time for Bond 26 to be released is 2026. And if the box office landscape is bad in 2026, if more and more people have given up going to the cinema due to cost of living, high film tickets, easy availability of streaming content, well, it's possible Bond 26 may go direct to Amazon Prime video. The compact disc music industry was overtaken by digital download and then streaming. There's the historical precedent. It's possible cinema is facing its compact disc existential moment. If the vast majority of film goers worldwide switch to streaming there is a possibility Bond 26 or Bond 27 will go direct to streaming. If Bond 26 is not out to 2026 or 2027, the theatrical release model may be dramatically different to 2024.

    But the main issue is Amazon getting Eon to secure a release date for Bond 26. If Eon can confirm Bond 26 will be out autumn 2026 then it feels as if the franchise is still active. Bond 26 in 2026 seems a logical marketing gimmick too.

    Bond 26 isn't coming in 2026, we would have some official knowledge by now if it was.

    I don't think it's quite as bad as your making it out. In 2024 there is a lack of quality product due to the strikes from last, everything got pushed back. Add to that a string of flops, probably due to inflation, and people not wanting to go to the cinema unless it's a real event, and it doesn't look good. But in the next 4 - 6 months we have Deadpool, Bad Boys, Despicable Me, Inside Out, Gladiator 2, Joker 2 and more. At least a couple movies are bound to hit the billion dollar mark this year, and then 2025 is fully stocked films such as Superman, Avatar and Mission Impossible. The situation is bad right now, but I don't think we're far away from turning the corner. It certainly won't get as bad as 2020 when cinemas were literally brought to there knees.

    As has already been stated in this thread, amazon have extremely deep pockets, and it means Barbara no longer has to hurry into developing the next film, especially with things looking so tough for new movies right now. Remember, Bond 26 is supposed to kick off the next era that will last for another 15 years, they have to get everything just right.
  • edited June 2 Posts: 573
    bondywondy wrote: »
    It's unfortunate in some ways, but the reality is that EON are now teamed up with Amazon, who have some of the deepest pockets of any company on the planet. There's nothing rushing EON to get a move on at the moment, and with the way things are, why WOULD they be in any such hurry? The first half of 2024 has been horrible for movies at the boxoffice, and EON aren't just looking to make a single standalone film, they want kick off a whole new series of films. I hate to say it, and I wish it wasn't so, but sitting back and waiting things out is the smart move for the time being.

    How long is a reasonable waiting things out? Four years? Five? Six? Ten?

    Amazon are not a waiting things out company. They are the complete opposite. This is why they are the most successful retailer in the world based on market share. They championed next day delivery of goods. If you use the Amazon Prime tier you get next day delivery of items so their business model is not predicated on waiting things out.
    For Amazon Prime members, One-Day Delivery is the default delivery option and is free.

    So far the Eon/Amazon partnership has been disappointing. We have no idea when Bond 26 will be released. Amazon could have bought MGM with a contractual obligation in place to ensure Bond 26 was out by 2025 (subject to no further coronaviruses or other unexpected events). A deadline written into the contract. If not a deadline, an agreement to try and meet that winter 2025 release date.

    Amazon bought MGM in 2022. Three years is a reasonable amount of time to make a new Bond film with new actor and rebooted storyline. At the moment it looks as if the earliest time for Bond 26 to be released is 2026. And if the box office landscape is bad in 2026, if more and more people have given up going to the cinema due to cost of living, high film tickets, easy availability of streaming content, well, it's possible Bond 26 may go direct to Amazon Prime video. The compact disc music industry was overtaken by digital download and then streaming. There's the historical precedent. It's possible cinema is facing its compact disc existential moment. If the vast majority of film goers worldwide switch to streaming there is a possibility Bond 26 or Bond 27 will go direct to streaming. If Bond 26 is not out to 2026 or 2027, the theatrical release model may be dramatically different to 2024.

    But the main issue is Amazon getting Eon to secure a release date for Bond 26. If Eon can confirm Bond 26 will be out autumn 2026 then it feels as if the franchise is still active. Bond 26 in 2026 seems a logical marketing gimmick too.

    Amazon did not "buy" MGM in 2022. A merger isn't like going to a store and buying something off the shelf. It takes year(s) to finish the process. They only late last year determined how to integrate the assets.
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