Timothy Dalton or Daniel Craig?

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  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Your agressive vendetta against Craig is unsophisticated and pathetic.

    Your aggressive vendetta against me is unsophisticated and pathetic.

    At least I'm not pretending to like Craig much.
    You pretend not to dislike Brosnan, yet you take every opportunity to criticise him.

    Just ignore my posts if you can't take them. I'm doing the same with yours.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    How about Dalton in SPECTRE :

    I like this the most ;)

    Just amazing what true Bond fans can do in their spare time =D>

    Timothy Dalton has always been my favourite Bond.
    After re-watching those trailers I think I like the Moore version the most.
    Moore is just so iconic like Connery, but that may have to do with the many movies they made.
    If Dalton had made 6 movies I'm sure history would look very differently upon him.
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    Ego, its always been like this. The Dalton fans are not DC fans. IMO its often because their man didn't succeed on the same level and nothing they can say, will change that. Sorta understandable.
  • bond_azoozbondbond_azoozbond Portland,OR
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    How about Dalton in SPECTRE :

    I like this the most ;)

    Just amazing what true Bond fans can do in their spare time =D>

    Timothy Dalton has always been my favourite Bond.
    After re-watching those trailers I think I like the Moore version the most.
    Moore is just so iconic like Connery, but that may have to do with the many movies they made.
    If Dalton had made 6 movies I'm sure history would look very differently upon him.

    In my opinion Dalton is the only bond who could have been bond in any movie , no matter which time 60's ,70's even Craig movies ..

    He deserves more than 2 movies for sure plus a continuing .. I mean a timeline for his bond like Fleming novels and Craig bond ..

  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    How about Dalton in SPECTRE :

    I like this the most ;)

    Just amazing what true Bond fans can do in their spare time =D>

    Timothy Dalton has always been my favourite Bond.
    After re-watching those trailers I think I like the Moore version the most.
    Moore is just so iconic like Connery, but that may have to do with the many movies they made.
    If Dalton had made 6 movies I'm sure history would look very differently upon him.

    In my opinion Dalton is the only bond who could have been bond in any movie , no matter which time 60's ,70's even Craig movies ..

    He deserves more than 2 movies for sure plus a continuing .. I mean a timeline for his bond like Fleming novels and Craig bond ..

    I feel the same way, Dalton could have starred in any Bond movie and he is the only actor of the 6 that has that ability.
    Fate didn't plan to have him in more than two, that's a fact we have to live with.
    I want to add that I was never bitter about it, I was too young to think about much of it when Dalton had his run. I think it was only in 1993 that I began to wonder when the next Bond would happen.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Germanlady wrote: »
    Ego, its always been like this. The Dalton fans are not DC fans. IMO its often because their man didn't succeed on the same level and nothing they can say, will change that. Sorta understandable.
    See, it doesn't bother me in the slightest which actors people prefer if it's different from my own. Craig isnt even the best to me and nor is he my favourite. My issue is, that
    @jasonbond is the biggest hypocrite to grace this forum. Not only does he rarely demonstrate the ability to actually know what he's talking about but he underpins his bullcrap with weak fabrications and gross misinformation and then the icing on the cake; like some child he veils his little crusade against Craig and Craig fans at any given opportunity and then has the audacity to accuse others of doing the same thing to Brosnan. This is particularly more annoying when it's he who instigates things with his rubbish.
    I've often expressed my dissatisfaction with the Brosnan era but have always maintained Brosnan was decent but was given a raw deal and yet somehow, Einstein here accuses me of hating the man. The guy's notorious for taking unwarrented digs at Craig and worse yet Craig fans to support his little Brosnan fetish in unhealthy amounts. If that's what he wants to do then fine but its his hypocritical stance that's bothersome especially when he starts crying foul for when others do to him what he persistently has always done.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited October 2015 Posts: 9,020
    double post
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    doubleoego wrote: »
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Ego, its always been like this. The Dalton fans are not DC fans. IMO its often because their man didn't succeed on the same level and nothing they can say, will change that. Sorta understandable.
    See, it doesn't bother me in the slightest which actors people prefer if it's different from my own. Craig isnt even the best to me and nor is he my favourite. My issue is, that
    @jasonbond is the biggest hypocrite to grace this forum. Not only does he rarely demonstrate the ability to actually know what he's talking about but he underpins his bullcrap with weak fabrications and gross misinformation and then the icing on the cake; like some child he veils his little crusade against Craig and Craig fans at any given opportunity and then has the audacity to accuse others of doing the same thing to Brosnan. This is particularly more annoying when it's he who instigates things with his rubbish.
    I've often expressed my dissatisfaction with the Brosnan era but have always maintained Brosnan was decent but was given a raw deal and yet somehow, Einstein here accuses me of hating the man. The guy's notorious for taking unwarrented digs at Craig and worse yet Craig fans to support his little Brosnan fetish in unhealthy amounts. If that's what he wants to do then fine but its his hypocritical stance that's bothersome especially when he starts crying foul for when others do to him what he persistently has always done.

  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Just amazing what true Bond fans can do in their spare time =D>

    You're always asking for trouble when you make posts like the above. The term true Bond fans is condescending and gives the notion that others are not true fans based on individual beliefs.
    Isn't everyone here a true Bond fan.

    Germanlady wrote: »
    Ego, its always been like this. The Dalton fans are not DC fans. IMO its often because their man didn't succeed on the same level and nothing they can say, will change that. Sorta understandable.

    I'm a massive Dalton fan...and shockingly I'm also a massive Daniel Craig fan. Guess I'm an exception to the rule.

    Now this is getting very close to becoming more personal than it needs to be. A few hot headed comments being posted, that are only going to stir the pot.
    It needs to stop.
    No-one is ever going to like all the same Bonds in the same order as you. Having a Dalton and Craig debate is fine. So long as members remember to not get personal. Or fuel any flame wars. Thanks.



  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @Benny

    Well, I'm to blame for my few early bold and simple statements I did about the Craig-era which were not very intelligent. I have to live with the consequence of some members not liking me very much since then and yes I therefore should carefully weigh every word I write about the Craig-era before posting it.

    But this vicious personal attack made in public is crossing the line and it is denunciating.
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    Fans shouldn't do a Licence to Kill and set people on fire (metaphorically).

    (Thanks @Benny)
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    edited October 2015 Posts: 13,999
    How about Dalton in SPECTRE :

    I like this the most ;)

    Take my money right now, take it all, just make that happen. ;)
    Germanlady wrote: »
    Ego, its always been like this. The Dalton fans are not DC fans. IMO its often because their man didn't succeed on the same level and nothing they can say, will change that. Sorta understandable.

    That's true. I've been told that i'm not a Bond fan for not liking Craig. And yet as a big bad nasty fan of Tim Dalton, i've never suggested that a Craig fan should post elsewhere just for not liking Dalton. So let's not act holier than thou, Craig fans (if we're going to use generalisations) are not angelic.
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    That Dalton trailer is fantastic. The best of these "what if" ones so far IMO.

    I agree Dalton had flaws, but I still prefer him to DC.

    As time goes by I just feel each new film confirms how great Sean and Rog were.

    I am looking forward to SP and think it will be good, but I don't feel DC has quite lived up to the promise he showed in CR and QoS.
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    Getafix wrote: »
    That Dalton trailer is fantastic. The best of these "what if" ones so far IMO.

    I agree Dalton had flaws, but I still prefer him to DC.

    As time goes by I just feel each new film confirms how great Sean and Rog were.

    I am looking forward to SP and think it will be good, but I don't feel DC has quite lived up to the promise he showed in CR and QoS.

    Agreed, especially on the first point. This definitely is the best of the alternative SPECTRE trailers.

    I guess I'm also one of those exceptions to the rule. Huge fan of Dalton yet I quite like Craig as well. Craig comes up just a bit short of Dalton, but they're easily #1 and #2 amongst the Bond actors.

    I would agree with the last point, but I'm not sure I'd put that on Craig himself. I think he's been excellent in all three of his Bond films, and appears to be again in SPECTRE, but I think other factors (such as a weak script and curious storytelling choices) hindered him a bit on SKYFALL.

  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Getafix wrote: »
    That Dalton trailer is fantastic. The best of these "what if" ones so far IMO.

    I agree Dalton had flaws, but I still prefer him to DC.

    As time goes by I just feel each new film confirms how great Sean and Rog were.

    I am looking forward to SP and think it will be good, but I don't feel DC has quite lived up to the promise he showed in CR and QoS.

    I think that's more EON's fault, Craig merely acted in movies that had a script and a director to follow.
    Martin Campbell obviously was the right choice as he got the best out of all the actors in CR.
    IMHO Marc Forster and Sam Mendes were mistakes.

    At least Sam Mendes has the chance to show that he can do a balanced Bond movie which Spectre will be I believe.
    I said it before, the only thing that could keep Spectre from being a Top 10 Bond is the script.
    The scripts have been the weak point in the franchise ever since TND (IMO).


    Given the right movie even an Australian dress man who has no acting experience whatsoever could work.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited October 2015 Posts: 7,593
    Am I the only one here who likes Timothy Dalton and Daniel Craig AND @BondJasonBond006? :P

    Having said that, of the three of you, I'm much more likely to put in a Daniel Craig film than another.

    Although having said that, one of the Bond films highest on my "must watch soon" list is The Living Daylights... Need to wrap my head around it again soon. That and For Your Eyes Only.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @NickTwentyTwo

    :-*

    Rumour has it there is one other person that doesn't completely hate me, yet :))
    But I'm working on it... <:-P

    Yeah, I'm feeling like Casino Royale like now, but I have to stick to my Bondathon plan.
    So the dreaded AVTAK is next :P
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Just watched AVTAK last weekend, it feels a bit sloggish sometimes, but is entertaining overall. It's a bit much at the beginning around the M briefing though, where everyone involved looks like they're 90 ;) but it's all good, and Chris Walken is, as always, very entertaining :P

  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I'm glad I love all the Bond actors. In varying orders of course. ;)
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Murdock wrote: »
    I'm glad I love all the Bond actors. In varying orders of course. ;)

    Yeah....contrary to the rumours going around (some I spread myself :)) ) I do love all the Bond actors too. Well love is a strong word... :)) like...
    I just happen to like one the least and that is I'm afraid to say....

    George Lazenby
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Murdock wrote: »
    I'm glad I love all the Bond actors. In varying orders of course. ;)

    Yeah....contrary to the rumours going around (some I spread myself :)) ) I do love all the Bond actors too. Well love is a strong word... :)) like...
    I just happen to like one the least and that is I'm afraid to say....

    George Lazenby
    Dalton and Lazenby are on my more least liked list but Both did their part well for the time. I wouldn't change a thing. Except give Pierce a fifth Bond film in 2004 then go on as is. :)
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Murdock wrote: »
    I'm glad I love all the Bond actors. In varying orders of course. ;)

    I agree with the above. My favourites just happen to be SC followed by DC.

    I also personally feel Brosnan is the worst due to his (in comparison) poor films. He was (in my opinion) just a weak cross between Connery and Moore, but not as good as either. Saying that he was still an acceptable Bond.

    That Dalton trailer is class!!! Daltons voiceover works perfectly.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    I'm glad I love all the Bond actors. In varying orders of course. ;)

    I agree with the above. My favourites just happen to be SC followed by DC.

    I also personally feel Brosnan is the worst due to his (in comparison) poor films. He was (in my opinion) just a weak cross between Connery and Moore, but not as good as either. Saying that he was still an acceptable Bond.

    That Dalton trailer is class!!! Daltons voiceover works perfectly.

    I love Brosnan's era. He's my favorite Bond. GoldenEye for me is perfect, his followups weren't as good. TWINE being my second favorite of his. He was right the time.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Murdock wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    I'm glad I love all the Bond actors. In varying orders of course. ;)

    I agree with the above. My favourites just happen to be SC followed by DC.

    I also personally feel Brosnan is the worst due to his (in comparison) poor films. He was (in my opinion) just a weak cross between Connery and Moore, but not as good as either. Saying that he was still an acceptable Bond.

    That Dalton trailer is class!!! Daltons voiceover works perfectly.

    I love Brosnan's era. He's my favorite Bond. GoldenEye for me is perfect, his followups weren't as good. TWINE being my second favorite of his. He was right the time.

    Brosnan will be looked upon much more favourably once enough time has passed and he is no longer the predecessor of the current Bond.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    @Murdock
    Murdock wrote: »
    Dalton and Lazenby are on my more least liked list but Both did their part well for the time. I wouldn't change a thing. Except give Pierce a fifth Bond film in 2004 then go on as is. :)

    Talk about a lack of conviction ;)
    Murdock wrote: »
    I love Brosnan's era. He's my favorite Bond. GoldenEye for me is perfect, his followups weren't as good. TWINE being my second favorite of his. He was right the time.

    I'll agree insomuch as I love Goldeneye (it was my first Bond), and I love Pierce in the role because of it. Tomorrow Never Dies is better than The World Is Not Enough in my opinion.

  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Each to their own. For me he was a safe bet in an uninspired era. Goldeneye for me is solidly average, ok plot, ok set pieces, good villain, horrible score, PC casting of M. It's ok. But as I said.....each to their own. LTK was better, but they needed a safe middle of the road film after Daltons departure.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    @Murdock
    Murdock wrote: »
    Dalton and Lazenby are on my more least liked list but Both did their part well for the time. I wouldn't change a thing. Except give Pierce a fifth Bond film in 2004 then go on as is. :)

    Talk about a lack of conviction ;)
    Lazenby's got the fight skills but his accent is dodgy for me, Dalton's performance is also hit and miss for me. At times he's good and other's not so much. Of course that can be nerves but they don't do it for me as well as Sean, Roger, Pierce and Daniel. :)
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited October 2015 Posts: 7,593
    The score for Goldeneye, for me, is unique and quirky in a lovable way. I don't agree Judi Dench as M was a casting for political correctness' sake, she was brilliant for her whole run, and brilliant in her disdain for Brosnan's Bond.
    License to Kill and Goldeneye are so different I find it difficult to compare them.
  • edited October 2015 Posts: 11,425
    Getafix wrote: »
    That Dalton trailer is fantastic. The best of these "what if" ones so far IMO.

    I agree Dalton had flaws, but I still prefer him to DC.

    As time goes by I just feel each new film confirms how great Sean and Rog were.

    I am looking forward to SP and think it will be good, but I don't feel DC has quite lived up to the promise he showed in CR and QoS.

    I think that's more EON's fault, Craig merely acted in movies that had a script and a director to follow.
    Martin Campbell obviously was the right choice as he got the best out of all the actors in CR.
    IMHO Marc Forster and Sam Mendes were mistakes.

    At least Sam Mendes has the chance to show that he can do a balanced Bond movie which Spectre will be I believe.
    I said it before, the only thing that could keep Spectre from being a Top 10 Bond is the script.
    The scripts have been the weak point in the franchise ever since TND (IMO).


    Given the right movie even an Australian dress man who has no acting experience whatsoever could work.

    I'm a bit of a QOS fan myself.

    Totally agree with you though that scripts (and often plots) have been a major issue for years. I just thought SF was pretty rotten on that level, letting down the otherwise decent cast and production values.

    I don't personally think Mendes was the right choice either (although commercially he can't be faulted so far). He's too sentimental and I think in terms of action, plot, cliches etc. he took us a step backwards with SF. Still, almost everything about SP so far looks pretty good. Not sure about more Bond back story - I'm just hoping that doesn't ruin what looks to be a beautiful movie.
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    Well, short of starting a revolution here, Brosnan was a disaster in the role, imho, In fact I would go as far as to say he was miscast! I dreaded the thought that he was going to go on and on in the role after the abysmal DAD! There was the possibility with his youthful looks that he could have done as many Bond movies as Moore or Connery (Shudder!)
    What a relief when it was announced about Craig. After seeing him in the film 'Layer Cake', I knew they had the right choice. Oh, and I don't agree with the statement that Dalton fans dislike Craig. Dalton is still the best, to me, but I think Craig is brilliant, and hope he does at least two more.
    We need an appreciation thread for Lazenby too. he wasn't THAT bad!
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