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@ForYourEyesOnly Oooh I see you have it at 8!!! Yay!
The action in the Glen films is great. Not filmed in the most exciting way but they are fun and unique (Tanker chase, barefoot ski, TLD necros fights, drive in the country, etc)
And yes, I am an Octopussy apologist.
AVTAK sees Bond and his stunt double with equal running time. jks jks
But I do agree that OP sees Bond at his greatest level of self-parody. But, hey, so what? I found it entertaining, whilst I find most of the other humour in Moore's tenure plain bad (i.e. the sumo wedgie from TMWTGG is just awkward). I laughed when Bond said 'sit' to the tiger. Which is uncommon, but I did!
What you say about nothing being the best in OP can be blanketed over the Glen era as a whole I would wager. But damn some of that action and stuntwork comes pretty close.
Oh what? Come on, @w2bond that chase is classic! A lot of raw suspense prior to the jump and the part with the bobsled is just great! OK lots of people hate the disco score of that part which is not a good fit, but it's a fun chase after all.
Oh and yes there was some very good action in Glen's era. But some of it could have been done a bit better I think. Mostly in AVTAK, or it could have just been Moore...
@IncompetentHenchman Oops! Yeah the bobsled bit is great and same when all the beginner skiiers get knocked over. I do like FYEO it's currently number 7 but as a whole it can get forgotten among the more grand/larger than life entries in the series.
i was always torn between FYEO and OP, with the former winning out, but the more i watch OP the better it gets. Good story and villains, great action and spectacle, and for me one of the most under-rated theme songs, 'All Time High'.
Roger does give his best performance, whether his confrontation with Orlov, convincing the Generals about the bomb, or the moment Octopussy tries to get him to join her organisation.... "I'm not for hire!"
I agree 102.35 % :D
I consider OP to be one of 6 perfect Bond movies.
Would Europe really have insisted on 'unilateral disarmament'? And even if they did would Gogol let Orlov do what he wanted? The validity of Orlov's plan hinges on both of those un-likelihoods.
That's quite a good question.
Perhaps more likely would be European countries insisting on the removal of any bombs on their territory effectively disbanding NATO. This would then result in USA saying 'bugger you then' and retreating to within their own borders.
In the aftermath of this disaster Britain might well have a elected a screamingly left wing Michael Foot Labout government that campaigned on a ticket of disarmament in the 1983 election. Not sure about France.
End result would be that Russia could march through West Germany and the Eastern block as far as France and it would rest on whether or not France wanted to launch their nukes to stop them. Probably not because they know Russia would anhiliate them.
I think Orlov's assessment is correct in terms of America retaliating. After Europe's insistence on disarmament why would they risk a full scale nuclear war to stop the Russians taking Czechoslovakia and Germany?
There might be a ground war I suppose with Britain, France and maybe the US sending troops but if the Russians were prepared to see it through then they would prevail as Orlov is right that we would be too decadent to stomach the levels of casualties Russians can put up with.
To sum up it might get messy and Russia would likely be a pariah state with the USA and China afterwards but Orlov could probably achieve his objectives more or less.
Whether the politburo would agree to follow through with this is a different matter. For years merely the threat of America's nukes on their own soil was enough to keep the balance and stop Russia going into West Berlin so with the American nuclear threat unlikely to have gone away (no way the USA is going to scrap its nukes at the height of the Cold War for one accident far away in Germany) the whole thing hinges on the assumption that USA won't retaliate with nukes to save Europe - which I think is a sound one.
Shame the producers introduced some truly cringe worthy humour in the Tiger hunt.
TMWTGG, umm a weak story, but Chris Lee is truly superb as the villian.
Great to hear guys, there are fans of "The Golden Fun" out there. :D
I agree with you about Lee, and yes, the script wasn't perfect (obviously rushed). I love the premise though: the best hitman in the World vs. 007, and as a whole I love the Movie.
JW Pepper after the car roll........."wow wee, i aint never done that before".
Regarding the script to TMWTGG, i believe it's the only Bond film that Cubby said he would of liked to of had re-written.
That quality is an important one for me. It's what keeps me coming back to a film.
I know exactly what you're sayin'. :)>-
You've still got to see Sheriff Pepper's not perfectly formed arse straight after.
Take one of the best Bond stunts ever, add one swanee whistle and one guy in khaki shorts and one not so good American accent, and you still have a great stunt (slightly ruined).
So, if I mute the sound for 2 seconds and then close my eyes for the next 2.....
Wow, thanks for the really thorough explanation, @TheWizardOfIce I'm inclined to think you know exactly what you are saying so I'll take it from you. I guess this must be why some people in retrospect find OP's plot difficult to grasp.
This. Octopussy was fun, but in my opinion there were too many villains and not enough of a reason to care about them. They should've stuck with making Orlov the primary villain, in my opinion. He had the right sort of overacted craze. Kamal Khan had no menace whatsoever.