Who should/could be a Bond actor?

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  • peterpeter Toronto
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Glad to read that. Well, intuitiveness can lead one astray as it is instinct more than anything. Such is evidently the case here so I'm glad you clarified. Mea culpa.

    As I think he's a compelling actor and screen presence, I hope he does something outside of the villain space in the future which impresses you.

    I hope so too! I never liked Jake Gyllenhaal for exactly the reasons I have a dislike for Hiddleston.

    But then Prisoners came about and I became a fan.

    The same with Gosling-- until Into The Pines.

    So i'm always open to an actor wowing me and proving me wrong-- in some cases, very wrong...
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    I was watching the Branagh adaption of Murder on the Orient Express again over Christmas and thought that Tom Bateman might be an option on a couple of years. Certainly has the height / look I think and at 29 has a few years to grow into the part.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Possibly, but based only on photos, he’s another who’s appearance of masculinity is strongly tied to a beard.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Wouldn't be a bad choice.
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    Don't know much about him?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    He didn't make any impression on me in the Christie adaptation I have to say, but then again, I only saw that once in the theatre.
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    TFC1 wrote: »
    I was watching the Branagh adaption of Murder on the Orient Express again over Christmas and thought that Tom Bateman might be an option on a couple of years. Certainly has the height / look I think and at 29 has a few years to grow into the part.

    He's got juuuust the right age to succeed Craig. I don't know him, but who knows.
    talos7 wrote: »
    Possibly, but based only on photos, he’s another who’s appearance of masculinity is strongly tied to a beard.

    I think he might look the part in four or five years, without the beard of course. Don't know of his acting though.

    But yes, the beard, the beard, oh why the beard?
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    TFC1 wrote: »
    I was watching the Branagh adaption of Murder on the Orient Express again over Christmas and thought that Tom Bateman might be an option on a couple of years. Certainly has the height / look I think and at 29 has a few years to grow into the part.

    Never seen him in anything, but he kind of looks like Charlie Cox's cruel half brother or something. Might not be a bad thing!
  • edited January 2019 Posts: 2,081
    Sorry, haven't checked this thread for a while...
    bondsum wrote: »
    Don't take offence @Tuulia. If you can't accept that men and women have an entirely different perspective on what they like to see in an male actor or movies, then you're purblind to the obvious. Surely you're aware that Brosnan appealed more to the ladies than to men (young boys notwithstanding)? Just because you don't know of such women within your own inner circle of friends or acquaintances, that doesn't make it any less so. Brosnan appealed to the ladies because he was extremely handsome, not because he was a great actor. Look, I'm not going to analyse men vs women just to make my point, but you only have to look at what kinds of musicians women prefer to those of men. Women are drawn to liking a group or singer based predominantly on their looks first and foremost, their music is secondary. Of course, there are exceptions that go against the grain, but these are in smaller numbers. Knowing absolutely nothing about you, I couldn't begin to assign you to a particular category or NRS social grade, but you most definitely fall into one. Principally, Bond movies have a male following. That's not to say there isn't a female fan-base also. I'm sure there's a small male fan-base for Bridget Jones, Mamma Mia! and Twilight movies. Maybe because you can't list your own "aesthetic preferences" it's the reason why you're having trouble coming up with a name for a future Bond successor, no?

    Again, I'm only pointing out how men and women's preferences for a Bond actor differ. This is the reason why women can skip a Bond actor's entire tenure and come back later when they find one that is more to their liking. Men, on the other hand, will stick with the series through thick and thin, so long as the casting follows a similar trait. It's this particular trait that some of us are better equipped at identifying and articulating than some of the other members are.

    I don't take offence, I just think you write quite a lot of silly stuff with very broad generalizations, some of which are laughable. Such as
    you only have to look at what kinds of musicians women prefer to those of men. Women are drawn to liking a group or singer based predominantly on their looks first and foremost, their music is secondary. Of course, there are exceptions that go against the grain, but these are in smaller numbers.
    That's so ridiculous I can only assume you're trolling. Therefore I guess commenting on everything else in your post would be waste of time. I can only hope that you don't actually think men that and women this the way you write. Giving you the benefit of doubt.

    Oh and at least my experiences of Bond audiences in theatres is that it's pretty much 50/50, not mainly male audiences at all. If you meant that people spending endless hours on Bond forums, etc., are men in vast majority, then you're right. I can't comment on Twilight and whatnot, haven't got a clue (well, I do know of one female relative who watched them on tv when she was 15 or 16 - not that I know what she thought of them, and if she even liked them).
    Maybe because you can't list your own "aesthetic preferences" it's the reason why you're having trouble coming up with a name for a future Bond successor, no?

    Eh? No. I already said this, but again: I don't think an actor is a good fit for a role just based on their looks. And I don't like actors based on their looks. (Or people in general for that matter.) But if that's your thing, okay... - Now I do really appreciate some actors' looks (duh! everyone does, right?), but that's secondary; I need to like them first (as actors, and maybe even as people). I hope the concept isn't confusing, seeing as you think women primarily care about looks.
    bondjames wrote: »
    I must have missed the earlier conversation about him. Coincidentally, a recent episode of Midsomer Murders was on the telly yesterday so I took a quick look. I must agree with you that there's really nothing about him that screams Bond per se.
    I recall we had a fascinating discussion on this subject a few years back on a dedicated thread (I can't remember the name of the female member who started it, but she no longer posts here regrettably). I must confess shamefully that I fall into the category you noted above (highlighted) to an extent.

    I remember, vaguely. I'm not sure what you mean by "to an extent" there... If it's "appealing just based on looks" and you add "to an extent" to that, then it's not "just" anymore, is it? Or you meant something else - only some actresses "just"? And if/when it is "just" then I don't know if it's actually "shameful" somehow - why would it be? It's certainly something I don't fully get, but I don't see anything actually wrong with it.
    talos7 wrote: »
    One thing is clear in this thread, it's very difficult to judge an actor based solely on photographs.

    "Very difficult" might actually be an understatement.
    I don't think 'mansplaining' is actually proving a point. In fact I'm more inlined to agree with @Tuulia. Yes, I've met women who only go for the looks, but most of the time they go for the charisma, and you just don't capture that with pictures. Men, as @Tuulia rightly points out, are far more inclined to judge on visuals alone. Now I could explain here that this has a scientific basis also, but perhaps that'd make me a it of a nerd.

    Yes, and thank you.

    And the same to your follow-up post, too. And another after that.

    The idea that women simply don't like action movies, but like romantic comedies makes me roll my eyes. That's like saying women don't like sports or rock music, but like to knit and bake cookies. Geez. What kind of antiquated ideas...
    Shardlake wrote: »
    I sometimes wonder whether I've accidentally logged onto either the Aidan Turner Forum or the Tom Cruise is Lord God and the best actor around forum when I come on here.

    I know the feeling. But hey, some people love them, so.
    peter wrote: »

    I hope so too! I never liked Jake Gyllenhaal for exactly the reasons I have a dislike for Hiddleston.

    But then Prisoners came about and I became a fan.

    The same with Gosling-- until Into The Pines.

    So i'm always open to an actor wowing me and proving me wrong-- in some cases, very wrong...

    That's a good thing, and it's wonderful when it happens. When either "oh, I don't know... meh, perhaps" or "I just don't like" make way to "oh, hello, you, another actor I now like" (and may need to check the filmography thus far or pay more attention to in the future). The more actors one learns to appreciate, the better for any film fan.
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    Tuulia wrote: »
    Sorry, haven't checked this thread for a while...

    I don't take offence, I just think you write quite a lot of silly stuff with very broad generalizations, some of which are laughable. Such as That's so ridiculous I can only assume you're trolling. Therefore I guess commenting on everything else in your post would be waste of time. I can only hope that you don't actually think men that and women this the way you write. Giving you the benefit of doubt.
    Cut the diatribe @Tuulia. Just name three potential Bond successors and give your reasons behind why you think they're worthy of consideration, otherwise it's you that's trolling.
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    Now, hold it, you two!

    Nah, just kidding, go ahead, do continue the debate. It has been lovely. @bondsum does have a pragmatic point to it, @Tuulia, it would be nice to ear of your selection and reasons why. It would clear up the air, and give room for further debate.
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    You know what? Screw it all and get David Gandy for the role. And Tom Ford in the director's chair. And set it in the 50s, with the scar, the housemaid, the Bentley 4.5 litre Supercharged and the Moonraker chase, the damned barracuda swim, the girls, and all the shenanigans. Do the literary Bond, properly, for once. Oh, and bring back Dame Shirley for the song. Or Tom Jones.

    What?, a new years wish, if there ever was one.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Univex wrote: »
    You know what? Screw it all and get David Gandy for the role. And Tom Ford in the director's chair. And set it in the 50s, with the scar, the housemaid, the Bentley 4.5 litre Supercharged and the Moonraker chase, the damned barracuda swim, the girls, and all the shenanigans. Do the literary Bond, properly, for once. Oh, and bring back Dame Shirley for the song. Or Tom Jones.

    What?, a new years wish, if there ever was one.

    Well I don't know about Tom Ford as a director, but we've had a male model before. wasn't too bad....
  • mattjoesmattjoes Pay more attention to your chef
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    Univex wrote: »
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    I'll see your Ventura and raise you The Sicilian Clan.

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  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Tuulia wrote: »

    I remember, vaguely. I'm not sure what you mean by "to an extent" there... If it's "appealing just based on looks" and you add "to an extent" to that, then it's not "just" anymore, is it? Or you meant something else - only some actresses "just"? And if/when it is "just" then I don't know if it's actually "shameful" somehow - why would it be? It's certainly something I don't fully get, but I don't see anything actually wrong with it.
    No, it's certainly not "just". I may be shallow, but I'm not 100% shallow (or at least I won't publicly admit to it). So if an actress is really good but I find her looks unappealing then I'll still give her the benefit of the doubt and try to appreciate her performance. Helena Bonham Carter falls into this category for me, so perhaps you can appreciate my apprehension when rumours swirled of her possible involvement in Boyle's stillborn Bond entry a few months back.

    Such an actress has a far steeper hill to climb with me than one who I find physically appealing though, such as Cate Blanchett for instance (Cate can give a piss poor performance and I'd probably still rate it decent).

    I rate Bond "girls" highly to a degree depending on how their looks appeal to me, but then again these aren't roles that scream for quality acting. One could argue that a Bond girl's looks are rather important.

    Regarding the "shame" part, it's perhaps because I endeavour to be better than this, but succumb to primitive tendencies. Why should Bonham Carter have a steeper hill to climb than Blanchett for me? It's certainly not fair to her, but it is what is.
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    Univex wrote: »
    You know what? Screw it all and get David Gandy for the role.

    He certainly looks the part!

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  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
    edited January 2019 Posts: 1,318
    Univex wrote: »
    You know what? Screw it all and get David Gandy for the role. And Tom Ford in the director's chair. And set it in the 50s, with the scar, the housemaid, the Bentley 4.5 litre Supercharged and the Moonraker chase, the damned barracuda swim, the girls, and all the shenanigans. Do the literary Bond, properly, for once. Oh, and bring back Dame Shirley for the song. Or Tom Jones.

    What?, a new years wish, if there ever was one.

    Gandy can't act though. Skippity skip. Also, Bond isn't the quintessential male model, looks wise.
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    That's a coincidence,i thought about him the other day :

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  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    Gandy can't act though. Skippity skip. Also, Bond isn't the quintessential male model, looks wise.

    Has he appeared in anything? I don’t think he has a typical model look.

  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Gandy can't act though. Skippity skip. Also, Bond isn't the quintessential male model, looks wise.
    Pierce may disagree. ;)

    This guy could audition for the new Most Interesting Man in the World if Dos Equis needs someone. He's got a distinctive look.
  • edited January 2019 Posts: 19,339
    talos7 wrote: »

    Has he appeared in anything? I don’t think he has a typical model look.

    He has appeared in commercials,been on a few chat shows and comedies,but mainly is massive in the world of fashion and magazine shoots.

    Similar to Lazenby in many ways,but British,and a lot less 'wooden',more chilled,loves cars and has been in car races.

    A bit of an adventurer.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
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    talos7 wrote: »

    Has he appeared in anything? I don’t think he has a typical model look.

    Yeah well Gandy is the quintessential 'manly' looking male model, no androgynous bits. I still don't think he looks like Bond, apart from being handsome.
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    And he has a good voice.

    I bet he'd be better at it than Lazenby.
    He'd probably want to drive the Jag instead of the Aston, though.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I've no problem with Gandy. He does look good and wouldn't be a bad choice for Bond at all. But, he did mention once he was no actor and didn't have any interest as far as I can recall. He's good friends with Naomie Harris, however, if that helps.
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    Univex wrote: »
    And he has a good voice.

    I bet he'd be better at it than Lazenby.
    He'd probably want to drive the Jag instead of the Aston, though.

    Agree re Lazenby,and he does have a very good voice.
    Actually Bond driving a Jag would be a nice change !
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    Wasn't Roger Moore a model before his acting career took off? He did alright! Lol!
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    RogueAgent wrote: »
    Wasn't Roger Moore a model before his acting career took off? He did alright! Lol!

    Yes, he worked as a knitwear model.
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    Yes, he worked as a knitwear model.

    Thought so!
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Moore did establish himself as an actor long before he was even cast as The Saint, though. Or as one of the Mavericks.
  • JeremyBondonJeremyBondon Seeking out odd jobs with Oddjob @Tangier
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    Moore did establish himself as an actor long before he was even cast as The Saint, though. Or as one of the Mavericks.

    This.

    The guy looks horrid for 38 I have to confess, model or not. I say Moldavian villain.

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